Past tense was because neither you nor me are discussing like we still are :-D Ok my friend! I guess you did not get my point at all. When certain privileges are provided only for certain section of cars, why have classics is the point. Yes, factory visit is what changed a few peoples perception about TFI. Until then, did you find even a single instance of me or the other classic car members post anything about the forum? Wasn't it just Fiat Fiat and just Fiat. Until then, we felt like being part of this family and suddenly it was like showing the door saying you do not have an 'xyz' car. Being with the family and united, did you guys even give a thought how members would have felt? If you think my posts aren't sensible, feel free to delete like many posts were deleted on the factory meet thread to show only TFI side of story!