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SCOOP!! - The JEEP's have cometh !!

Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by amogh, Feb 10, 2013.

  1. Murphy_Fiat

    Murphy_Fiat Superiore

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    Not for these Jeeps For Sure. They are telling about the locally made jeep(may be renegrade) with 1.5 ltr Mjet diesel Engine, Expected launch in 2017.
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  2. Revv

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    If that's true then it is really amazing ! but I doubt its possible
  3. Raj_pol

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    Pricing is the key. There should be a really tempting price just initially and then they can increase the price. Also they should please market like crazy instead of hoping the brand history/legacy will do the trick.
  4. prabhjot

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    Two unfortunate problems for the JEEP launch: (a) the beginnings of a crackdown (in many cities beyond just Delhi) on diesels in general and big ones in particular, and the Jeep GC's is a 3 litre v6 (from VM Motori, an FCA firm) while the Wrangler's is a 2.8 i4. Which is fine in the medium-run, if it happens, since JEEP can then offer its American petrols here, V6's and even V8's as they're already doing with the GC SRT, apparently. But unfortunately for them the big delhi ncr market for big diesel suv-s looks very likely to stay down and out.

    (b) the relative appreciation of the us$ vis-a-vis the euro, making price-competition with the lower-trim German models, fake suv-s though the bmw's and audi's are, tougher?

    (c) the slowdown in the luxury car market, indeed in the car market as a whole (barring 2 or 3 all-new models).

    However, if they decide to locally assemble the Grand Cherokee, as they had originally planned to 2 years ago though seem to've changed their minds on, and not just locally manufacture the C-suv (new 'Compass'?) they could really be very price competitive? Maybe even offer the GC, big and heavy though it is, with the by-2017 supposedly locally made 2 litre mjd? Why not, FCA? Mercedes M-classes/GLE-s sell mostly with the same small diesel they offer on the a-, b-, gla, c- and e-class?! Only 160-180bhp but 400+Nm of torque with the great 9-speed zf automatic, very doable and very price competitive due to Indian local manufacture of the engine (by 2017, for the c-suv and the correlated tata suv-s.)

    They've apparently imported several 2 litre mjd 9-speed automatic renegades for testing and/or display at the AutoExpo. Once they have say 16-20 dealers in place, at least, they can then also move on the Renegade, with so much shared with the localized content of the c-suv, maybe do a cutter-price Indian/desi avatar, and also thereby attack the 14-16 lakhs price points too, where the xuv500 and the Creta sit/squat much too easily. Especially since rhd markets for the Renegade, like for the c-suv and indeed the Grand Cherokee, are ready and waiting for competitively-priced JEEPs Australia, Japan, etc, exported out-of India.

    The curious thing is the absence of any plans to introduce the edgy new Jeep Cherokee, rather than Grand C, which has just started local manufacture in China. Pehaps they feel it would too radical in its styling for Indian tastes? Or maybe not bigger-enough to the c-suv to warrant in Indian eyes the higher price? China is getting the full-monty as it were of FCA suv-s, for local manufacture: the Cherokee (2015), the Renagade (2016) and new c-suv/Compass (2017, like India) but also the 500X in 2018, apparently.

    Can't wait to hear what Marchionne and Manley say about the India-part of the updated global, all-brand production plan they'll be press-conferencing-about later this month. Fiat and not just Jeep, also the question of combined fiat-jeep dealerships in some places here?
  5. Revv

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    I just read on team bhp that Jeep Grand cherokee was displayed in Bangalore yesterday. Anybody got a chance to see it in person ?
  6. Anoop M Scaria

    Anoop M Scaria Novizio

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    Yes I saw a black MH registered GC jeep outside J W Marriott hotel while walking on the road 2days back. Took my phone cam to click the pic then I saw a cctv cam focussing me at the gate.:). So just left.
  7. prabhjot

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    http://caranddriverbrasil.uol.com.b...medio-brasileiro-no-salao-de-nova-york/11763#

    http://www.carscoops.com/2015/10/future-cars-jeeps-2017-compass-patriot.html?m=1

    Two renderings of the upcoming (including for India-manufacture in 2017) C-suv/New Compass. The second one looks especially good: subtle yet chunky-beefy, no gimmicks, nice details!

    Both are well-informed and not just wild guesses, afai can make out.

    If so, and if the 500X and Renegade, its platform and powertrain-mates, are anything to go by (judging from so many reviews in europe(esp italy) and the usa and brazil too: it has the makings of a big hit indeed, since it will be striking a hard-yet-brand-authentic blow, pretty much for the very first time for JEEP (globally) at the very large and meaty segment currently dominated the likes of the Toyota Rav4, the Honda cr-v, Nissan Qashqai etc.

    It will, presumably, be premium-positioned relative to them, esp in Europe and China if not also the USA, although hopefully not in Brazil or India! This could do very well indeed in India, all else being equal, esp if they can price it a (fair) bit below the segment-lord-and-master, the Toyota fortuner (new).

    Hurry up, now FCA in india, jaldi karo! ;-)
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  8. Raj_pol

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    @prabhjot Will it be as large as the Fortunner when placed next to it? Will they have more powerful engines than the Fortunner? I assume even for FCA they can beat the interiors that Fortunner currently offers :p and of course can they price it less than the Fortunner?

    If all the answers are yes they may yet have a chance else no.

    However, I still do not understand (if true) the need to bring highly overpriced Jeeps to India via CBU when obviously they do not have a brand recall of the big three Germans. I am talking of the current lot which they will release probably during the Auto Expo
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  9. Murphy_Fiat

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    @Raj_pol which car in India is not overpriced according to you Sir. It is a crime if you are comparing Jeep with Overpriced/Outdated Fortuner. Will they have powerfull engine than fortuner? you might be joking, Even Grand Cheroke SRT Smoke Audi R8 V10 in drag Race. and yes there will be takers for Jeeps.
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  10. prabhjot

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    @Murphy_Fiat @Raj_pol

    The thing is IF they postponed the first launch (after getting all the automags to TD the cars, in some cases in the US!) because of the currency crisis of the rupee.....well, on cue, the rupee is now EVEN lower! And will be heading further south.

    Moreover, there already is a somewhat-slowdown of luxury car sales, that too is going to intensify

    And, finally, there is the looming threat of no-big or not-any (in the future) diesels in the huge Delhi (Ncr?) market, and who knows potentially in other cities too in the near future?

    So: it is not a happy or easy time to be investing in what is for all but MS, HY, Mahindra and Toyota (for innova and fortuner only) NOT an easy at all marketplace.

    Still, JEEP is a 'white space'/'blank slate' opportunity for FCA in many of its newer, esp Asia-Pac markets, India and to a degree even in China and Japan. The brand, a very very clearly defined and specialist one, is well-known, the americana connotations are known to many because of the diaspora and of travels, and its Fiat diesels are known and liked too.

    Raj: it is a tweener in size: just a little smaller than the Fortuner and of course, EONS better from the Fiat diesel 2 litre (around 400Nm torque at least and low emissions etc), the 9-speed transmission, the monocoque chassis, the all-independent suspension, the lower weight, and the materials spec, not to mention ride and handling.

    Hope they can price it, taking advantage of higher localization-levels, at least for the least Jeep 4x4 low ratio trailhawk spec, meaningfully below the epically overpriced Fortuner and Ford Endeavour.

    IF it sells well enough and the export-first rhd strategy for this Jeep works well-enough for fca in india 2017, well then perhaps we too, like China, will say in 2018 get the renegade and/or the 500X. China already has the Cherokee in local production (sold 5500 or so in december alone), the renagade starts local manufacture there in just a few months' time, and the 500X in 2017.

    Indeed, IF they give the go-ahead for a sub-renegade, even-smaller Jeep (Marchionne said a few days ago that they're discussing it at the minute), well then by 2018: JEEP will have the lower-priced model(s) from the c-suv down to this small jeep to make a very meaningful MASS market sales-volume crack at the indian market, from say 12 lakhs upto say 26 lakhs (small Jeep, Renegade and the C-Suv).

    As ever, then, the real question and the real doubts remain about the Fiat brand and its all-new models' viability and minimal success! Not so much about the export-centric Jeep rhd models.
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