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Punto Abarth 2015 - Test Drive and Review

Discussion in 'Abarth' started by nkrishnap, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. NJ90+

    NJ90+ Timido

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    Don't know how reliable the news is but one of the T-bhpian who is also an owner of Abarth Punto updated that we may see 180Bhp Abarth Punto by February. :D

    He got the news from one of the FIAT test drivers, hope it really happens, C635 + 180Bhp :D
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  2. Raj_pol

    Raj_pol Regolare

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    @NJ90+ Which is probably what they should have done at the first instance (at least on the gear box front - no review has had any complaint on the engine front which is brilliant). Well never too late and while we are at it should also think of getting a new Sedan and a new hatchback along with the Jeeps for 2016. Product life cycle timelines have shrunk and it is no longer 10 years with the same looks. A 5 year period is the maximum. So an all new set of hatchbacks, jeeps and sedans with an updated gear box and all the associated bling. Fiat can also be a early mover by bringing in large sized SUV's that run on petrol and not diesel.
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  3. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

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    @Raj_pol

    The Punto is 6 odd years old in India, NOT 10, which is true of europe. The India-specific facelift has drastically revivified an already evergreen and utterly classic, all-time great design by Giugiaro.

    However what you say is right. Our market, in its newly aspirational mode, greatly values sheer novelty, all else (and that is a lot, like ass, resale etc), by which i mean not new=different and better but new=new=recent=APPARENTLY and excitingly 'futuristic'/'the latest'/'the trendy'. Neo-philia: in other words, new for new's sake.

    The huge response to the i20 elite and to the creta as well as the honda City and the Baleno too, proves that, as does the rapid and drastic dropoff in sales of nearly all non-Maruti 'older' models (from the Polo to the Verna to the Vento and the Micra, the Duster etc), to which must be added the failure of the Zest and Bolt (drastic refreshes rather than 'new=new', or so percieved, rather) and the already tepid+declining response to the not-'excitingly new'-seeming-enough, the slightly insipid Ford Figo+Aspire.

    However, the timelines for setting-up manufacture and supply chains etc for all-new models is still very long, even if platform and engine sharing means that if you launch one you can launch even 3 or 4 in quicker succession.

    IF FCA commits to new India-centric FIAT models (rather than export- or Jeep-centrism), the first model will come in 2017, but then 2 or even 3/4 more models can come FAST, say at 6 month intervals, since they will have lines for 2 'modular' platform+architecture+powertrain combinations in ranjangaon: one for the new Punto etc and the other the SUSW one on which the Jeep will be made.

    It all depends really on the market response to the first 1 or 2 launches, because if THAT is as bad as the current indifference or even active hostility towards the brand, THEN their commitment to the Indian retail market will REALLY be tested in terms of new models, whether for JEEP or esp for FIAT.

    Fortunately, the export-angle and the depreciated rupee versus a low-interest-cost dollar+euro makes it possible for FCA, like GM-India's plans, to take the HUGE investment risks the Fiat brand faces here with new models. Plus, of course the other Indian profit-sources via the tata jv and suzuki.

    Let's see. The Indian market is in any case a very very unhealthy one for most players currently and foreseeably, and arguably is stagnant if not still in slowdown-mode (in total revenue per model and per dealer, etc, non-MS and non-Hyundai), so i wonder what call Marchionne+Manley will take on india (Fiat and Jeep+exports? Fiat OR Jeep+exports?...?)
  4. RCP

    RCP Amatore

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    On the online news, it was posted that Fiat have put the 1.5 Multijet development "on hold". Reasons were stated that as Suzuki and Tata are developing their own 1.5 engines, and it's not a great investment for the new R&D and manufacturing.

    Am looking at this as an opportunity - May be, Kevin Flynn should have thought that it will be better to bring in the new Linea (TIPO) and import the 1.6 multijet. It is not feasible to develop a new engine just to save 15 to 20k on a vehicle which will cost 12 lacs. Though Hyundai has 1.6 engine, it still sells. Even the current linea with 1.6 engine will make a good car. But the question is: Is Fiat really looking to improve it's sales and volumes? Many doubt, but people like us expect better news due to the emotional connectivity. Even if it doesn't want to increase it's sales, let them still bring better products

    I somewhere feel that owing to the immediate attention needed to the product line-up, Fiat should have thought not to waste any more time in the development of the new engine, but just to bring in something which is already being offered globally. Let's wait and see what Marchionne will have to say for India, in January. I hope that's 2016, and not 2017 January
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  5. Raj_pol

    Raj_pol Regolare

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    News from the friendly horse forum - Maruti apparently plans to launch a race version of the Baleno (turbo boosted engine) and call it the fastest hatch in the country. There goes the Abarth Punto :eek::p:yawn: . On a serious note though their marketing is always top notch and so they are going to launch it with a automatic which will help sales.

    p.s. At current numbers that Fiat sales, Maruti is least bothered with the Abarth.
  6. Murphy_Fiat

    Murphy_Fiat Superiore

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    Baleno Current structure cant handle that power.
  7. gpunto75

    gpunto75 Amatore

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    Yes may be it will be the fastest tin can in the country. And customers will be crazy for it. MSIL will be able to price it below abarth.
    And neither fiat seems to be bothered about the abarth sales.
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  8. KPR

    KPR Regolare

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    It is not just the speed that is going to matter. Last week on a straight highway with zero traffic during early morning a swift was doing 170 kmph :( for a 10-15 km stretch.. How do I know? My punto made 160+ (Pl forgive my insaneness for checking top speed only once out of curiosity. Also I had not floored accelerator, around 10% left). Going guns in a swift is like inviting further risk with already risky Indian roads (because I owned a swift before). It is like diabetes patient taking a wound.

    With Baleno weighing lighter than Swift?:muted: It is not just the HP or the NM or any other ratio which is winning a pat at the back at the end of a ride. It is the overall package that inspires confidence to drivers.

    Nexa right now are in metro or in major cities. How many of the prospective buyers are really going to test the true power and its stability during the test drives given traffic conditions in those major cities? So one is going to buy before knowing it in a proper test run but vouch for the power after spending lakhs on it? At least a bunch of normal/first time baleno buyers attracted to buy more power will become road ragers on highways knowing nothing but to top speed. When every manufacturer start selling cars with more power then we are going to invite more topples, speed rage accidents for sure. I'm optimistic about fiat owners. Hope that we are all safe inside a tank with such unsafe high speeding cars around. Let them go first just to stand in queues in tolls :)
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  9. Raj_pol

    Raj_pol Regolare

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    @KPR Please understand that a car is safe only at speeds up to 64 km/hr which is what the crash tests are meant for determining. At a speed of 100, whether it is a Swift or a Punto you are dead if you hit . When we talk of safety, a lot of parameters come into picture and in India we ignore all of them. firstly of course is using the grey matter, a sense of discipline, tough rules, good infrastructure, weeding out corruption (in getting licenses) and so much more. The car is just one factor - Maruti knows exactly where the loopholes are and they are going to milk it for all it's worth.
  10. RCP

    RCP Amatore

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    Any car is unsafe @ above 100 speeds. But the difference is: Fiat will stop in no time(100 to zero will come in no time) when we hit the brake, while maruti will continue at the same speed(almost, no use of hitting brakes in maruti) until everyone are dead with a heart attack:D;)

    People will realize this hard fact for both Hyundais and marutis(most jap cars), only after running into some rear of a truck, which is parked on a corner of a twisty road; on one foggy morning;)

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