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Discussion in 'Fiat Global News' started by prabhjot, May 14, 2015.

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    The Alfa Romeo Giulia QV 510hp twin turbo 3 litre v6, will, soon enough, be available for delivery, as this video show.

    Man or woman or both: this car is a sizzler! ;-)
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    @prabhjot I hope you are right and it sells in decent numbers.
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    They've delayed the launch of the ordinary, 2litre turbo +the mjd versions, by a few months, in order to iron out the HUGE all-new stuff on this car. Also, emissions regulations are in flux and are being tightened etc. post-vw-diselgate. It seems they're going to focus more on Europe, since the market recovery there is good and likely stable, unlike in China, or in the US which being the world's most competitive car market will not see a huge takeoff for Alfa with this, only the first of 6-8 models through 2018/2020. The 2018 deadline has been shifted to 2020, and rumour has it that the smaller-than-Giulia Giulietta hatch and a rumoured sedan or cuv too will get added focus (first a heavy faclift inside and out and in 2017: all-new), precisely since they feel that centering themselves on Europe is better than only offering models likeable also in the usa and china.

    Dodge will get 2-3 twins of these first few Alfa-s: twins of the Giulia sedan, the Giulia-based sporty cuv and a Giulia coupe too. Same platform, some architecture and powertrains shared, but minus all the exotic composite lightweight materials used on the Giulia as well as some of the farout tech (radical torque vectoring, adjustable suspension, virtual steering axis etc. i.e., as powerful but cheaper and of course, styled more alpha-male.

    It appears they will use the Dodge-Alfa twinning to achieve the margins and revenue targets they now feel would be difficult with Alfa alone, given the slowdown in China etc.
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    @prabhjot Yup I thought so - I had read about the delays that Fiat is facing. Too be honest the analysts are still not entirely convinced with Fiat. You may not like to hear it but there is a growing number of population worldwide who are betting on Hyundai. See India is the 5th largest market in the world and Hyundai is number 2 in India. They are also number 6 globally in sales and that is what counts. Also Hyundai has deep pockets far deeper than FCA. Suzuki has nothing globally - Hyundai does and they are slowly venturing into the luxury markets too.

    Once upon a time long time back people used to make fun of Toyota and see where they are now. Hyundai may do the same. They are selling large number of vehicles - whether it move's one soul or not is of no consequence.
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    All car firms are in deep waters currently, even those like GM and Ford which on paper have high profitability, since the deep stresses caused by regulations, new tech and model development, hyper competition, over capacity, geographical skewing of profitability and the absence of premium and luxury brands and sales, and the disruptions being rendered by Uber to Google and Apple etc, have crimped profitbility prospects for all firms. MASSIVELY

    EVEN the state backed, part-of-giant-conglomerate Hyundai has seen hugely downward profits this past year, and a more pessimistic forecast by their own ceo. Except, only Toyota, thanks also or in the main to the massively depreciated currency, the yen. VW, PSA, Rensult-nissan etc are all treading water in the near future. The big issue in the background is, of course, the ongoing and 'permanent' rolling global macroeconomic crisis. So FCA is no different.

    However, FCA is different in many ways: it is a recently merged firm with a bouquet of brands and huge counter-economic-cycle reality and potential-of-growth and success, under Marchionne. Marchionne will have the last financial-health laugh, by 2018, of that am confident: vw, renault-nissan, honda, etc have already been shown-up, more will by the time he is ready to retire in 2019/2020. FCA's stock price/earnings ratio is still among the highest among any automaker. i.e., growth prospects are regarded as being, unusually, high, given the economic and market circumstances.

    The updated product plan and cadence will be revealed and discussed by marchionne et al today. Let's see what's in store for FIAT and Jeep in India and when.
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    http://europe.autonews.com/article/...romeo-could-return-to-f1-racing-with-own-team

    btw, Marchionne has altered the product-launch cadence for Alfa Romeo drastically, likely to deal with the balance-sheet issues in a a slowdown or possibly-recessionary macroeconomic environment, esp in China, and going-forward, soon, also in USA+Europe, again.

    They are still sticking to the promised 8 models BUT these will arrive only by 2020, and not 2018. The all-new model-launch cadence will be kept flexible, and some of the later models may be pushed-out further. Marchionne's more keen on BRAND-equity-building only partly via the actual products, if that goes well-enough, he'll probably look to conserve capital to stay-healthy-enough in the increasingly uncertain macroeconomic circumstances.

    It seems clear that Marchionne's 'endgame' is indeed a merger/consolidation, who knows perhaps even a sale of some of fca's brands, he will likely not rush to launch a model for every-segment, not even for the new Alfa Romeo.

    The full, even ordinary-engine, versions of the Giulia will be launched at the Geneva Show, with models being on-sale in europe in the summer. They will also be showing a heavy-facelift of both the Giulietta and the Mito, with the d-sports-suv twin of the Giulia coming in mid-2017. Lots of branding and marketing activity of course. The 'delay' in the launch cadence is also in order to get the sales, distribution and after-sales netwroks ready, primed, and expanded, in some countries where Alfa is not already present, either by combining with Fiat or with Maserati dealers (usa) or Jeep ones (Europe and China.)

    PS: India is of no consequence to the Alfa plans foreseeably. Still, it will be great if the Giulia+the d-suv etc are offered here, even if only in high powered-QV forms (since they'll be cbu-s and will have to pay import tariffs). Why not? They'll have 6 delares for maserati by 2018, and many Jeep Destinations ones too in all the bigger cities/centres, after all.
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    https://www.autoedizione.nl/alfa-romeo-stelvio-nu-definitieve-carrosserie-weg-op/

    (please use a translation add-on?)

    The Giulia all-new, ultra-light-weight, scalable platform, rwd of course is set to yield its next application: the Alfa Romeo Stelvio d-sports-cuv/suv. To be revealed later this year, and to be on sale early next year.

    Marchionne and Wester say that they've worked-out the 'technical' fine-tuning of this whole platform+the all-new powertrains....and so the Giulia will be followed IN QUICK SUCCESSION by the other models.

    2017 will also see the all-new, next-gen rwd Guilietta hatch+its c-CUV twin.

    The Giulia and the Stelvio are set by end-2017/2018 to have available (N America only) their Dodge-branded and styled (minus most of the exotic lightweight materials+torque vectoring etc etc bleeding-edge technology, i.e., notably cheaper) siblings.

    Dodge is seeing a tremendous brand focussing and charisma-building in the usa market, quite successfully, what with all the knockout advertizing and film product-placements etc + the Hellcat 707 hp engine + the very-americana, 'muscle-car' retro image it has built up recently. Dodge has the lowest average-age of buyers in the usa market for ANY brand: i.e., it is, alongwith JEEP, now the epitome of an americana-COOL.

    The mainstream, family-centric models (e.g., Dodge Journey, Dodge Dart) will be either ditched altogether, outsourced via badge-engineering (e.g., say mazda 3 as the next Dart?) or shifted in their upcoming next-gen to the Chrysler+Fiat brands (Journey/Freemont.)

    ALFA gets the high, luxury-sportscar margins, while Dodge delivers the scale economies/sheer numbers: that is the plan for the ALFA renaissance project (8 models by 2020). It is likely enough that the Dodges too will be (mostly or entirely) made-in-Italy, alongside the Alfa-s, then? i.e., ALFA ROMEO will in effective-numbers-terms be, via the assuredly large new Dodge rwd sedan/coupe/suv sales, be MUCH bigger than the 300K or 400K they're targetting for it by 2018/2020.

    This new rwd Alfa platform+powertrain will also be deployed on at least 1 of the all-new Jeep-branded and off-road-re-engineered models (nextgen Cherokee or even Grand Cherokee? Wagoneer? Grand Wagoneer?) by 2018.

    i.e., Commonize r&d, engineering and manufacturing and some marketing/distribution too, thereby achieveing the economies-of-scale to compete FINANCIALLY with say the German luxury carfirms or the likes of ultra-high-volume but no-luxe/premium cachet Toyota, Renault-Nissan, GM, and Hyundai-Kia.

    i.e., the VERY thing (lack of enough scale) that has motivated Marchionne since he took over at FiatGroup, the VERY thing that motivated his visionary taking-on of the moribund (ex-Jeep) American brands during the 2008 financial crisis when NObody of any description was willing to touch them (the former Chrysler group.)

    IF Marchionne meets these very gettable (afai can guess) financial, brand equity and sales-number targets, as he has met or exceeded nearly-all his targets since 2008 (to the astonishment of pretty-much everyone else in the auto industry or press), it will be the FINAL hurdle for the FCA group brands' longterm health and viability. And will, post-2018, enable the ENDGAME: being very very attractive as a BIG-merger candidate (multi-brand, with several premium/luxe brands and sub-brands, globally properly diversified in manufacturing and sales) with one of the several big-enough BUT financially-struggling other carfirms. With Marchionne himself in-charge of the combined entity ;-) ?
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    Brilliant videos of very very fast laps being run by the Alfa Giulia Quadrofolgio Verde 510 hp twin-turbo v6.

    European bookings of the normal giulias open on April 15th. The ultra-low-weight-high-powered QV versions's early shipments/deliveries have begun. USA availability in the late summer/autumn.

    They have the production planning done, the platform+architectures are finally fully ready, and so the siblings of the Giulia (the d-suv Stelvio, the new Giulietta, a c-suv, an e-sedan, and an e-suv + 2 speciality sports coupe/spider) will be launched much-faster, one after the other: one every 8-10 months.

    There are, of course, Dodge-branded (cheaper and less-light-weighted, american turbov6, with less luxe in-cabin materials, less-expensive ICE etc) american-musclecar styled avatars of the Giulia and the d-suv to be launched as well in the usa and canada, at the same time. Perhaps even: made alongside the Giulia in italy? By 2018, and very much on-track, insider reports have it.
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    http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...has-just-started-at-cassino-plant-106681.html

    Giulia (normal models, non-Quadrofoglio 510 hp) production has just begun.

    Media and press drives are scheduled for May 9, 10th.

    India is, of course, perfectly irrelevant to FCA's new Alfa-s plans, given our exorbitant tariff structure.

    The EU and many Indian trade and policy economists are pleading with the government to take-on the indian domestic-industrialist lobbies and do the long-pending Free Trade Agreement deal with the EU. Till that happens....no Alfa-s here, i suppose?

    PS:

    BUT: happen it will, since India is being very rapidly getting marginalized in global and regional trade pacts (america-led), this deal with the EU is a good one for India (provided assurances on movement of professionals are made, on visa-s for tourism, as also on agriculture). The domestic car lobby must be made to see the massive european future-market for indian-made, lower-cost future-cars and powertrains and other components, in exchange for liberalising imports of luxury+sports cars, whiskey, wine, cheese, green tech, high-end branded apparel, etc. Time to stop protecting the Japanese and the Koreans, and increasingly benefitting the Chinese, esp in automotive and white goods, in our trade regime!
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    https://www.autoedizione.nl/president-en-premier-indruk-giulia/

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    THIS is the national-patriotic importance given to the Alfa Romeo brand relaunch, with the engineering-cutting-edge Giulia + its new powertrains:

    The car was presented, in a 'civic republican' ritual of sorts (this is Italy of florence, venice, milan, rome etc etc, after all!) to the country's President, and Prime Minister Renzi (second image: the young slim fit young man on the left).

    That is what cars and their historic motoring brands means to the italian public.

    Time to go bring the overweening Germans down a peg or three! ;-)

    PS: PM Renzi is gaining considerable stature both within Italy and at the Europe-wide level. Due to the intelligent and obviously honest+ethical centre-leftist reformism he has been practicing as a response to the grave EU economic permanent+crisis, to which has been added the migration one, where too he has shown himself to be less racist/xenophobic and more intent on tackling the issue headon while being responsible and hospitable(enough?) to syrian etc migrants (unlike northern and western european countries and leaderships, including the UK and France.) Not that the 'left-wing' Pope Francis' radical humanist/humanitarian views on the migration 'crisis' and 'capitalism' has too much to do with it!

    PM Renzi is a close associate/confrere of Marchionne+Elkann, in policy matters, and on labour and EU issues. In fact Marchionne is taken by most tobe his main industrial etc policy-adviser. What's more the Italian state under renzi has NOT dispensed either money, or subsidies, or tax-breaks etc specially favoring FCA Italy, under this prime minister. Unlike what the German govt has just done for the German car industry (1 billion euros of EV subsidies), and the French one has done for both Renault and Peugeot-Citroen (over the past few years).

    Between Renzi and Marchionne+Agnelli-s they've completely re-invented Italian car industry, ultra-successfully so far (disproportionate sales and marketshare growth europe-wide + soaring exports of cars), albeit that the REAL long-term redemption of Italian expensive-manufacturing WILL hinge entirely on Alfa Romeo getting added in sales and marketshare success to Maserati(partial--->full) and Ferrari (always full).

    Except for one or 2 of the higher-margin '500'-type, 'premium within mass, emotional, stylish' models (e.g., 500X+Renegade) the FIAT brand will henceforth ONLY be made outside of Italy, even the core-EU: turkey, serbia, poland + brazil and......india(?)

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