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Linea SS specification - by Torque 7

Discussion in 'Engine and Drivetrain' started by drifter, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. Viny

    Viny Esperto

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    Does this mean it would be easier and cheaper to upgrade 1.4 (90 BHP) as compared to Tjet?

    We understand that you want to give best of the quality and for sure that costs. But you also got the understand that upcoming economy markets are price sensitive markets, we have just started changing gears and not every one has very deep pockets. Unlike developed nations where car is necessity many times, in India its still considered as luxury. And I see very bleak market size in 10 -15L car segment to go for the kind of upgrade that you are offering in 4-5L price package. Many of us would desire to have upgrades, will allocade you for what you are bringing to india, but would not have pockets to go for it.
  2. drifter

    drifter Regolare

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    Vny, I perfectly well understand the situation you are describing. Many people over here are often in similar situations.

    For these we cater too. It is not necessary to spend outrageous amounts of money for performance tuning.

    I am passionate about tuning development and have produced with my company (GSR) many AIRs that do make a difference. The price of those (new ones are under development especially for the Indian market) cost together with a dedicated re-map as much as what it would cost you from other companies on a re-map alone.

    The upgrade that is proposed at the beginning of this thread is nearly doubling the power, which is the reason for the high outlay.

    But the lesser performance packages are not anything to be sniffed at. As soon as I am back in Mumbai we will demonstrate a lot more and how much quicker the more basic tuning packages are.

    Of course the turbo conversion will remain flagg ship stuff.
  3. Viny

    Viny Esperto

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    On discussing with few of my friends, I realized that most of them are not looking at double the bhp initially, but that also doesnt mean that they would go for upgrades for just 5% or 10% increments. This is what i understood from discussion with friends

    90 to 95/97bhp none interested, why to play around with car just for 10% power increment.
    90bhp to 105 bhp at cost below 20,000 and with no impact on fuel efficiency
    90bhp to 120bhp at cost below 50,000 and with minimal impact on fuel efficiency
    90bhp to 150bhp at cost below 1,50,000 and are ok with 1or 2kmpl drop in fuel efficiency
    90bhp to 200bhp none interested, better to upgrade to a more powerful car than just upgrading engine and breaking power.

    Along with these most of them also wanted a min 2yr warranty on newly added parts thats has helped in improvement with free servicing to the system.



    The figures quoted above might not meet the real world figures, but thats the view expressed.
  4. FastLove

    FastLove Superiore

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    We always talk bhp, but i repeat that what actually you enjoy in daily drive or in roughly 95% times is the torque gain. A significant torque gain is money well spent imho .

    Coming back to peters offer - I think it would make sense to buy a linea tjet and a 90hp punto at that price .
    So, what you end up having is 115+90 = 205 bhp...... Simple! :D
    The torque figures.. You calculate ;)

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  5. drifter

    drifter Regolare

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    Thanks Viny, for sharing this.

    As FastLove has mentioned it is the torque that propels the car. And this is what all GSR AIRs are designed for. Also none of the AIRs will increase fuel consumption. Nor will the re-maps do it. I personally have done engine modifications that increased power by 60% without any increase in fuel consumption. This is what engineering is about.

    When I am back in Mumbai we will resume testing and comparison on the cars, with acceleration tests before and after the modification.

    BTW, the Linea is available from stock with 150bhp as well as 185bhp. It is just not yet in India. The car is made for the power. In Europe the Punto is the one that is being upgraded usually and there is quite a few people who run it at 270bhp and some 295bhp. The same is with the 500. One company specialises to modify them between 260 and 300bhp, which is TUV certified. In Germany we do not share the view to go to a different car. Some people have the BMW running at 320bhp (TUV certified).
  6. Viny

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    We have our own doubts about the build quality of FIAT cars in India as compared to European Cars. Though these cars are much better than many others, but they are not built qualitatively as European version, thats why we see so many niggles and parts failing at times. Thus there is slight lack of trust in that regard.

    Having said that, we still believe that we can get some extra juice out of the current system without having big hole in the pocket.
  7. drifter

    drifter Regolare

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    An update of our 3 door Grande Punto T-jet:

    We are still working on refining the re-map for the SS and beyond specification. We had some 0 to 60mph (0 to 96.5kph) figures taken. So far we are at 6.7 seconds. This should be no more than 7.2 seconds from 0 to 100kph.
  8. Peter any upgrade to the punto 90 HP Mjet. I am more concerned about the gear box taking the additional torque thats upped when the engines are modified to extract power.
  9. Viny

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    Fiat Gearbox engineer claims that gear box are capable of taking double power then the given ratings of current cars. This in one reason why 5th gear is produced at FIAT plant itself and rest are sourced from suppliers.
  10. Let's say if the gear box has a torque rating of say 20 Kgm, then the safe limit should be around 25 - 27 Kgm before the oil starts to break down. Double seems to be far fledged though but these are my 2 cents.

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