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Discussion in 'Car Purchase Queries' started by sundar1900, Mar 2, 2012.

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  1. ENKI

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    A/C on with 5 people+luggage while climbing isn't an issue with 75 HP. Obviously it won't equate to a single occupant's situation & will sound less relaxed but it's a very capable machine. It's rather easy for MJD, i would say. What better way to conclude that it's mileage will hardly drop by 1 km/ltr with all that extra load & A/C on. It's not working that extra hard that total added weight seems to portray. It's state of the art & very advanced engine so not surprised for Ambassador diesel at all. Such cars are in-fact dangerous in Ghats when overloaded. Reason is with less power, if some has to stop at steep inclination & loose inertia, they may start rolling back & situation can get out of hands. I have heard that a lot in old diesel vehicles & especially bus/trucks.

    Is that swift is petrol one? Diesel shouldn't face this issue at all else there could be something wrong with maintenance of swift. These engines come out flying colours in toughest situation imaginable.
  2. sundar1900

    sundar1900 Amatore

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    Yep, it was a petrol swift.

    Regarding the ambassador, i think you are right, my uncle used to say we shouldn't move any further on car and we used to get down from the ambassador before ~ 1 KM from the temple as the stretch was very sleepy
  3. teky

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    So many pages of discussion and you're still confused.

    There is sufficient power in Punto to drive in ghats, but what I like in the 90 is the top grunt for overtaking power is available at the tap of foot. Ofcourse it depends how many times you will be over 100 within city. Pick the 90 you'll never regret, 75 is also a equally good one.

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  4. ramjn

    ramjn Staff Member Janitor

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    To explain how the Fiat's perform in Ghats, to record it, We (me, teky, Sathya_sc, Dr.Senthil and linealover) drove from Ooty to Masinagudi and back after the sunset. All our cars performed impeccably well in the ghats. Masinagudi to Ooty section is the steepest ghat section I have ever come across.

    Link to the detailed report.
    http://www.teamfiat.co.in/linea-1-4...-new-white-fiat-linea-t-jet-18.html#post73088
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  5. ENKI

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    @Teky: I would love to intimate FIAT's aspects to a curious about FIAT person. I think if Sundar wants to know more & more, keep it feeding until he realizes & become one of us. For an outsider, obviously it's a different sight altogether & that where our role become critical.

    Then obviously it will be hopeless. See this is where FIAT shines. I have driven Dzire petrol with 6 people (intentionally) to make up for that extra luggage weight. It doesn't need ghat's to struggle. With full throttle, i was struggling to catch 50 km/hr in 2nd gear. Engine was too stressed. Where the hell were those 90 horses..!! It felt like M800 with 42 HPs. Once you take over the inertia hurdle & get it 40-50 km/hr, it won't stop when you want it to. I mean brake fades drastically to unbelievably poor situation. I had to repeatedly pump it's brake pedal to build pressure. Emergency brakes were not existing! worst of all, it was lagging it's steering by full 2-3 secs. It was ridiculous. It was trying to follow the steer that i made 2 secs earlier & don't need that now. I could hear steering "what are you doing you idiot, don't try anything but a straight line". I felt Steering bloody useless. Why not a Joystick there:dancing?

    All these observations i have mentioned in my introduction thread only. Your uncle wasn't wrong at all. For Punto, i would say, yes engine will feel less relaxed after additional 500 kg weight, but never stressed. Nothing like brake fading or loose the steering/decreased sensitivity. You can pass moose test even with 5 people. I personally like my Punto most when there are 3 people on board. It maintains an ideal combination for all the bests in Punto.

    May be it could be a bit surprising but that's what i have observed in punto. Brakes work best in Punto when there are 3-4 occupants in it. Notice it from here-on.

    For summary, If i would have been you & don't mind extra rs. 40000, i would go for 90 HP. You have a psychological advantage if nothing else. Now when i described hell of a lot, even we are surprised at times & keeps learning stronger aspects that were never known before to us.

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    Ramjn, That's insane. @140-150 in ghat's & FE over 18kmpl..::OO!!
    These MJD''s are more than their stats, aren't they? Engines with more torque & power would be challenged. How to show endurance into stats:confused:.
    The vortex these little cubs (MJDs) created also walloppedd a T jet in it, unknowingly:mrgreen:. That's why i throw all the stats to trash when it comes to MJD. Wonderful write up by you guys there! keep rocking!
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  6. N Kiran

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    I would like to share an incident with you all that happened to me yesterday night. At around 8.00pm I picked up my wife from her work and was returing home. As I was approaching a junction the traffic has just started to move on and I conveniently overtook them all and was speeding away at around 80kmph since there was very less traffic which is not the usual case. So, there was this guy on a Yamaha SZ who was speeding ahead of me and as he tried to overtake an auto, the autowala suddenly tried to change the lane hitting the biker a little. The biker lost control and suddenly fell rolling on the road. I had very little time to react and very few meters left between us both. Thankfully I didnot panic and have applied brakes and the car came to a complete halt with a couple of inches to spare. I immediately saw in the rear view if there was any approaching traffic which might not be able to control the speed and luckily there was none. I got down and attended the guy when few other bikers came and helped him to lift the bike and send him aside. I had to go back to my car and leave as the traffic was being blocked by me.

    My Punto being an active without any ABS and EBD managed to stop when I wanted and where I wanted to, without skidding or screaching. As I have mentioned earlier in many of my posts, the braking of Punto is one of the best aspects I like apart from ride and handling. My love for my ride has been just growing and might never stop. I wonder, if an Active can stop and handle like that what would an E Pack or a 90HP would do. There were lot of comments on the brakes that they wear out quite quickly, but I would rather change the brake pads often than not being able to control my speed when required. It might just save someones life.
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  7. ENKI

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    Kiran, I also saved a very innocent & cute puppy 2 days back. He jumped from the divider suddenly & wasn't seen until he was 4-5 feet away due to it's small size. Fortunately i was@40-50 km/hr & felt that ABS violent pulse in brake pedal. I think the bumper just kissed the little puppy & it rolled over but not with a deadly hit. Wasn't hurt at all. There comes 3-4 yr kid to lap the puppy. It was a pet. I also got down & It was safe/sound without any scratch though a little terrified. Had a fruity bottle from a near by shop & served in a cup to confused & scared puppy. Well, it became friend in no time.

    These are odd little incidences that fills the sea-full of love, respect & passion in one's subconscious for their vehicle & one may never know until the day he is tinkered by someone to let is out. Had there been my old zen-lxi or any other car for that matter, i would be guilt of killing an innocent puppy. I hate it when i imagine that.
  8. ramjn

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    Hi Kiran, good to know that nothing major happened.

    I agree that the braking in Punto is very good. But, technically ABS has nothing to do with the braking ability of a car. That said, Punto Active and Punto EPack will have the same level of braking ability. ABS will help in avoiding the wheel lock.
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  10. gurjinder

    gurjinder Staff Member Janitor

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    Ganges is right.

    With ABS , not only is there a potential to reduce the braking distance, but also offers the ability to steer away from a collision with anything lying ahead.

    But, like everything related to driving, drivers should also be trained about how to really exploit & use the ABS fully and know the limits of the vehicle.

    Cheers.
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