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Discussion in 'Avventura 1.3 90 HP' started by Tornado, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. rkperumala1

    rkperumala1 Novizio

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    Hyderabad
    Hyderabad
    Fiat Enthusiast
    @rohitsharma : Thank you.

    Waiting for @Subhendusc & @Tornado :happy:
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  2. Subhendusc

    Subhendusc Amatore

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    Kolkata
    Kolkata
    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    @rkperumala1 - I have completed 5500 kms and will be going for the first service in the first week of April.
    I will be taking my Avyy to Bhutan - 2000 kms round trip. Let see how it does in the mountains.

    Till now no problem with the back wheel. And opening the boot is very easy. There are numerous cars whose boot open sideways like avvy tail wheel . So there is no problem with space. The tail wheel with iron support is an extra safety for the rear passenger.
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  3. Tornado

    Tornado Superiore

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    Driver's seat.
    Western Maharashtra
    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    In fact the questions asked are in line with the thread.

    It is absolutely reliable.
    No not at all.

    Yes.
    (only grouse is that at the malls you need to get down and open the boot lid as the security guards are new to the opening process. I have one trick to avoid that, I ask them to peep in the boot from the rear door after lifting the parcel tray partially.
    I know one more trick which can be used by FCA & that is to increase the sales figures of Avventura so that all get well aquantiated with the process. )

    Frankly speaking I haven't calculated it by tankful to tankful method.
    But according to the frequency of the visit to fuel bunks it must be approximately 20kmpl.


    Rest :

    My overall experience with FASS is satisfactory. It is comparable with MASS. The cost of ASS is infact lesser than Maruti.

    And most important :Excellent warranty support from FCA.
  4. Tornado

    Tornado Superiore

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    Driver's seat.
    Western Maharashtra
    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    Got the fender replaced within reasonable time after the initial goof up.

    Of late, there was a warning 'check head light', it use to come & go, showed the car to Krishna FASS Satara, SA blamed the upgraded headlight. I asked, "why the fiat computer took such a long time to detect the headlight modification., it's almost a year back the headlights are upgraded,"

    Next day, again the warning started flashing, Finally they diagnosed it, it was due to loose headlight wire. Issue is fixed now without expenses.

    Satara krishna FASS manager (Mrs Veer,) keeps calling regularly about the car's health.

    Uptill now happy with the car.
  5. Arun Prasad

    Arun Prasad Timido

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    hyderabad
    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    I have driven 54k kms in about 15 months. A very reliable car !!!
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  6. KPR

    KPR Regolare

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    TN
    Punto Evo 1.3 90 HP
    @Arun Prasad That's an amazing Number on the ODO. Vehicle like your's should be given a railways engine number for munching such distances like marathon drives!
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  7. Tornado

    Tornado Superiore

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    Driver's seat.
    Western Maharashtra
    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    45 kkm servicing updates please. And when is your timing chain replacement due?
  8. Tornado

    Tornado Superiore

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    Driver's seat.
    Western Maharashtra
    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    Car has completed 37800 km.

    Tyre replacement was on cards.Earlier tyres, ideally should have been replaced at 32kkm, but as my father drives very carefully taking care of car & the tyres he managed to push them till now.

    Tread pattern
    Symmetrical & non directional.

    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear : 240
    Traction : A
    Temperature tolerance : A

    ECE markings : E13, registered at Luxembourg.

    European label : could not find. rps20160911_213700.jpg rps20160911_213609.jpg
    I am not able to post a pic of UTQG rating of stock GY NCT 5 as I deleted it by mistake.

    Now,
    It was 205/55 R16 Michelin PST vs Hankook ventus V12evo vs Goodyear F1 GSD 3 vs Apollo alnac 4G vs Kenda vs Continental CPC2 vs Goodyear TMA.

    My requirements were
    1) Something better than stock GY NCT 5
    in terms of mileage & ,comfort and hardcornering and equally stronger sidewalls.

    2) It is me who drive her on long highway trips & my father who drives her in rural areas. So wanted little more comfort & hardcornering safety for me & more comfort for my father.

    Michelin PST :
    Tread patern: Asymmetrical, (meaning good for hard cornering) & non directional.

    Ply composition :
    Tread : 2 steel + 2 polyester + 1 polyamide (polyamide gives better ride comfort) I wish, it was with 2 layers of polyamide, making it most resistant tyre against tread bulge/burst )
    Sidewalls : 2 Polyester.

    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear : 340 (best amongst the other tyres in consideration)
    Traction : AA.
    Temperature tolerance : A

    ECE markings : 'E2'mark present, registered at France under amendment 2 of the ECE regulations. ( no mention of S & W marks) This is probably due to introduction of EU label system by the EU and primacy ST got launched at the same time.

    EU label :
    fuel economy: C (one of the best amongt the others)
    Wet grip.: A(Best amongst the others)
    Noise : 69 dB.(one of the best)

    Cheapest qoute : 7400 per tyre including fitting alignment Balencing.
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    Goodyear assurance triplmax :
    Tread pattern : Symmetrical &
    Non directional

    Ply composition : It is similar to the stock Eagle NCT 5.

    UTQG RATING :
    Treadwear :320
    Traction : A
    Temperature :A

    E label : not found, not sold in Europe.

    E marking :I don't remember.

    Best qoute : 6800 2016-09-09 13.17.56.jpg


    Hankook ventus V12evo :
    Tread pattern : Unidirectional & symmetrical (meaning good for wet grip).
    Unidirectional tyres are often noisy but the V tread pattern of this tyre is instrupted by groves to make them less noisy.

    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear wear : 280
    Traction :AA
    Temperature : A

    This tyre was not available with the dealer for inspection of sidewall & tread , since it is slow moving brand in India. they order it and make it available next day.
    However, dealer was installing a different size as a upsize on a figo aspire.

    I noted :
    Ply composition :
    Tread : 2 steel + 1 polyester +1 nylon. (1 less polyester as compared to other tyres in my consideration meaning prone for burst /bulge on bad roads)
    Side wall : 1 polyester ( only one polyester ply meaning more prone for sidewall bulge or cut) most of other tyres in my consideration had 2 plies of polyester

    I needed to see the tyres in my size to confirm above mentioned facts but waiting for a day was not possible. to wait. I speculated that there wouldn't be much difference for my size too.

    1 polyester ply of sidewall & lack of a polyester in the tread would not be a good choice on rural roads, also there was not a worldly difference in treadwear life as compared to the stock tyres.

    Cheapest qoute : Rs 6800

    Warranty : 3 year unconditional for sidewall bulge /cut, tread bulge burst too.

    Barring the treadwear life of 800 units more than the stock tyre & the warranty there wasn't going to be a difference in the ride & handling.

    Goodyear F1 GSD 3 :

    Tread pattern : unidirectional(again noisy) & symmetrical.

    Ply composition :
    Tread : 1 polyester + 2 steel + 1 polyamide ( only one polyester ply makes the tyre prone for bulge or burst, however the polyamide makes the ride comfort better than Hankook ventus V12evo which has nylon instead of polyamide)

    Sidewall :2 polyester. (it is better than the Hankook ventus V12evo)


    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear : 280
    Traction : AA
    Temperature :A

    E markings : found to be registered in EUROPE but don't remember the name of the country.

    EU label : not found. Probably because they were discontinued abroad when EU label was made compulsory. However I see most of the uni directional tyres got ' F' ratings for fuel efficiency. (which we were not ready to accept) but they got A rating for the wet grip. Such tyres are more suitable for sport type of drivers.

    Not a worldly difference in treadwear life as compared to stock tyres.

    Goodyear doesn't offer the 3 year unconditional warranty which they offer for the triple max.

    Best qoute : Rs 6700 rps20160911_212646.jpg rps20160911_212603.jpg

    Continental CPC2 :

    Multi brand dealer told me that they are noisy & online reviews were not encouraging.

    Ply composition : didn't check.

    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear 280.
    Traction : AA
    Temperature :A

    EU label :
    Fuel efficiency : E (this was unacceptable)

    Traction :B( I prefer A rating because there is a difference of 3 to 5 feet in braking distance in between A & B.)

    Noise : 72 dB ( moderate but better options were still available)

    Hence didn't researched too much.

    Kenda KR 20 :
    Tread pattern : Symmetrical & unidirectional

    Ply composition :
    Tread : 1 polyester + 2 steel + 1 nylon (only one polyester, hence weak)
    Sidewall : 1 polyester (again weak sidewall)

    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear : 300
    Traction : A
    Temperature :A

    E markings : E4, registered with Netherlands. and has passed the Sound, wet grip tests there.

    EU Label:
    I couldn't found any, might be because it is not sold there. But other similar tyres in other size got F ratings for FE (Worst) & C rating for wet grip. So felt that there is no reason for them to bring a tyre with better ratings to India for such a price.

    Best qoute : Rs 4000
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    Apollo alnac 4G :
    Tread Patten :
    Asymmetrical, non directional.

    Ply composition :
    Tread : 2 polyester +2 steel +2 nylon ( sturdiest among the others in consideration, but pure nylon gives a bit harsh & little bit uncomfortable ride)
    Sidewall : 2 polyester.

    UTQG rating :
    Treadwear 280
    Traction : AA
    Temperature : A

    E markings : registered with EU (Netherlands)

    EU Label :
    Fuel efficiency : C (equal to Michelin PST)
    Wet grip : B (lesser than Michelin)
    Noise : 69 dB.

    Best qoute : Rs 6100.
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    In the end,
    I found that single digit variation in the size, speed, load indices, and suffix like EL, RF etc changes the tyre ratings by many units.

    Other which were considered but rejected outright because no information regarding tyre quality found on sidewall,they don't bother to mention the ply composition leave aside the UTQG & E markings.
    1) Bridgestone B 290
    2) Yokohama Adrive R1 (AR01)

    Final winner was Michelin PST for my requirements. rps20160911_211704.jpg rps20160911_211926.jpg rps20160911_211609.jpg

















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  9. Turbothinghy

    Turbothinghy Superiore

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    Pune
    Punto Evo 1.3 90 HP
    Those are some great insights that you have got there @Tornado . Michelin does turn out to be the all rounder.

    I was wondering how the sound dbs similar for alnac and Michelin. Also, MC 5 are less noisier than Alnacs, I thought!

    Thanks for sharing :)
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  10. KPR

    KPR Regolare

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    Punto Evo 1.3 90 HP
    @Tornado
    That's a serious comparison and throws light on specification of various tyres suitable for R16. Now my questions are:
    1. The cost of R16 is higher compared to R14 or R15. Why?
    2. For punto 90HP sports when other T-fians cars are due for change what size can we stick on with? Stock 195/55 or 205/55 size?
    3. I personally like Michelins. They are butter smooth but in toll roads or smooth highways.
    Can Michelins manage rough roads (read Ladakh/himalayas)? The fear of weak sidewall makes me choose a non-michelin in future. Or I should target to complete Ladakh with my stock Alnac itself (current ODO 19000). I cannot go for Alnac again as I feel they are noisy.

    Car tyre research is good knowing positives and negatives by reading a specifiaction.
    May be ignorance is always a bliss!
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