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Fiat to make Jeep in india around 15 lakhs

Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by vinit, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

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    Ha. Nice one, sir, much appreciated.

    Blasphemy? Far from it: All pukka SUV-s looks like JEEPs, or Land Rovers or Mercedes G-Wagens, especially 'Perfect' and therefore pseudo ones like the Creta. :p 'Imitation is the best form....'

    Although, to be fair now, that car has ripped off: rear design from the new Jeep Cherokee and/or Citroen Cactus C4, and its interior design from the Maserati Ghibli, and its front from the new Ford design language (from Ecosport to Edge to Explorer), not from the Wrangler and/or Grand Cherokee.:hilarious:

    The Suzuki Grand Vitara, like the Jimny and Samurai before it, were cheap or shall we say inespensive clones of JEEPs. Very consciously and deliberately so. And so on. Such is the chain of East Asian copy-catting and piracy (in all domains of consumer and industrial goods). Going back decades.

    Mahindra, with its 'original' designs has at least tried, and IMO failed very abysmally, at being non-mimetic. It is not ironic, then, that it is now the owner of....Ssangyong.:hilarious: Which is one reason why the Tata Safari, old and new, is so much more likeable, apart from being better? Like the Duster, too. ;) But Mahindra-s sell, while the Suzuki Grand Vitara never did in India, so.

    It isn't for nothing that there is a Chinese firm making a clone of the range Rover Evoque, after, that is, Hyundai has mimicked it with the i20 'Elite', etc.

    The American and European (esp Italians and French) lead with design origination, even for Japanese firms like Mazda let alone the Koreans (all Hyundai and Korean cars are styled in Europe by Europeans) and Chinese, and, of course, engineering and technology (with some Japanese model-specific exceptions, though more on cost/price rather than originality or cutting-edge-ness.)

    Toyota has been trying, first with the new generation Lexuses, now across its range, to introduce some more meaningfully-original, 'authentic' yet not-bland/dated/dull designs, as has Honda sometimes, and now especially Nissan with its leading CUVs: the Rogue/Qashquai, the Juke, the X Trail and the Murano. There will very soon be a Murano-clone from Hyundai, surely!

    But even Nissan, even now, decades after it has become a major and accomplished O(sic)EM carmaker, can't help itself and Infiniti, for many/most models: it is busy doing really-amped-up, exaggerated versions of Maserati's famously Italian designs. The next-gen Sunny and Micra will look like over-heated, red-hot-chilly pepper Maserati-s, cheap build etc or not. (Google the next-gen Micra concept car, the Maxima, all Infiniti-s, etc).

    The soon to be launched Maserati Levante sports/performance 'SUV' will end up looking like an Infiniti Qsomething, even though it will in a sense be at the design-origin of those cars......which is why it will be cohesive and restrained and 'shout quietly' rather than 'loudly', if you will.

    That's just why one just has to love American, Italian and even French cars, brands, and their makers, no? Alright, Germans too, maybe, sometimes, occasionally.

    "If their dealers, after-sale service and reliability is adequate", someone (not me) says. :D
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  2. bibin

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  3. Raj_pol

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    @prabhjot Size does matter and if the Jeep C-SUV is even smaller than a Renegade and if they price it at the price of a Toyata Fortunner they are not going to sell too many. As usual then we will be arguing in this forum that Jeep is not selling though they have good ride, 4WD etc etc.
  4. prabhjot

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    It is bigger than the Renegade but smaller than a Fortuner. It is designed to be what is called a 'tweener': sitting between segments size-wise, but with ample interior space. Think Audi Q5 or BMW X3 in size, but at a much lower price point, and built much tougher of course. It will have 'premium' interiors to go with the premium chassis and suspension engineering+the champion mjd engines.

    They WILL sell a hundred or three a month right off the bat, and build from there. The 'Fortuner' segment is only about 1600 suv-s a month, 2000+- if you include the Mercedes gla and bmw x1+audi q3. Besides, the new Fortuner, Endeavour etc will be all 28-30 lakhs PLUS ex-showroom. Let's see.

    Remember also that this is more of an export play. Am guessing the pricing they achieve could (for 4x2 versions) be notably/a fair bit LOWER than that of the Fortuner which is NOT locally-made/does not have much localized content at all. That, after all, is the whole point of exports out of India: suddenly when you put export volumes together with domestic ones, economies of scale are enough to justify localized manufacture and supply-chains.

    PS: i might hold out for a smaller JEEP or FIAT suv (500X or Renegade) whenever that arrives (2018?), but my dad says he's very likely to get this Jeep at launch. He says it'll be the last hurrah of his long car-owning life, his first suv though! He's 70+.

    @Raj_pol
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  5. Raj_pol

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    @prabhjot More power to your dad and may he continue enjoying his rides.
    Yes the pricing is the key together with the luxury levels. What I am afraid of is it would be compared with the likes of the Creta by the aam - junta and more than the engine they would be looking at the levels of fit and finish, perceived luxury, bottle holders etc..and they have to be top notch on the same.
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  6. prabhjot

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    Yes am afraid you're right. The indian market is a 'tedhi kheer' as they say. Hemmed by people's sense that say a Creta is better vfm on the one hand and that the 30 lakh Fortuner is, well, bigger and beefier, on the other and so vfm too!

    But the difference to what FIAT has had to face in terms of getting recognized for its engineering and design usp-s relative to the big M(aruti), the Korean and Honda is: the JEEP brand, which is a storied old suv-specialist name, one that is already familiar in India. Let's see.

    Am hoping they show it at the AutoExpo in delhi ncr in feb: hope to be there!
  7. Raj_pol

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    @prabhjot Hence my idea is that initially they should release a vehicle with brutal amounts of everything and sell it a slight loss (not too much maybe 50k for base and 1L for top end). They can always raise the price once it becomes a hit like Hyundai, Maruti or others so.
    Hence I was so hoping for a Renegade. See the latitude 4WD drive starts at say 16 Lakhs in US (converted to Indian currency). If it was fully made in India perhaps they can really aspire for those prices and at that price whether in fit, finish, equipment or power it beats the hell out of anything in India at this point. They should also have one version with the V6 engine and sell it maybe at 25L or so close to fortunner prices.

    Basically go all in with whatever weapons they have in their kitty. Should not be a half baked attempt or they will kill the baby before it is born.

    They should have

    1. Looks
    2. Power
    3. Fit finish and creature comforts
    4. A few unique points that separates from the rest.
  8. prabhjot

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    I am guessing the Renegade built out-of-India has no competitive advantage or demand as yet: they have the Melfi plant in Italy, the Pernambuco in Brazil and starting next year it'll be made in China too, all three also or a lot: for exports. Hence we get the C-suv first, which also dovetails nicely with tata's 2 new suv-s also due, with a lot FCA modules esp powertrains, in 2017.

    We might not get the renegade or indeed the 500X at all: getting, instead, say in 2018+, a sub-Renegade-in-price-not-size 'emerging markets only' JEEP for which india would be the main or only export-plant? So said the FCA international product planning head in Australia a few months ago. They're looking at it, they may've decided by now? Twinned perhaps to a cheaper-than-500X FIAT b-cuv (the 'new avventura'? the upcoming brazilian toro-based suv) too? We'll have a better idea of all this at the auto expo, one hopes.

    Because the rs. 15-16 lakh price point for the 500X and Renegade may not be achievable given independent rear suspensions and premium materials, extra-rigid chassis, 5-star euro ncap etc?

    As I keep saying: what we can feasibly get is mostly a function of what can be profitably and reliably exported from here, NOT the other way around.

    Let's see: who knows, though, they may yet feel the need to use India as a rhd specialist plant and supply chain for even the 500X and/or Renegade? Eventually: 2018 or later. IF export-demand is not better met out of Italy, Brazil and China?
  9. gpunto75

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    Jeep Renegade compact SUV arrives in
    India.

    While the Renegade 2.0 Diesel that’s been
    imported as a completely built unit (CBU) to
    the country carries a price of about 17.5 lakh
    rupees, adequate localization and local
    manufacture could push down the price to
    under 10 lakh rupees. At that kind of money,
    the Renegade could prove to be a great foil to
    the likes of the Renault Duster and Hyundai
    Creta.

    source. www.cartoq.com/
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 2, 2016 ---
    I'm unable to give the specific link to the news.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 2, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 2, 2016 ---
    this shall work

    http://www.cartoq.com/jeep-renegade-compact-suv-arrives-into-india/

    Although 10 lakhs seems unlikely, 14-15 lakhs shall be tempting.
  10. prabhjot

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    They will not bring it before 2018, if then. 2017: c-suv.

    Remember: they need big export numbers in order to justify the investments in Indian localization of supply chain etc, which may not be there, since they have big, cutting-edge plants in Italy, Brazil and in 2016 one in China too for the Renegade. It's a function of demand growth the Renegade sees in China+Asia-Pac+Japan+Australia+rhd markets, by 2018?

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