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  1. VahanPujari

    VahanPujari Staff Member Janitor

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    Just dropped the car at TASC.
    As expected SA said brake pads and brake disc need to be changed. I asked why brake discs. He said generally we change both together as even if discs have not completely gone the unevenness due to wear may wear new brake pads early. Though I had my doubts I said ok as it sounded logical.

    Regarding timing belt and transmission oil he will check first and will change only if required. He said that in Linea its required very rarely only in case of breakdown.

    EDIT : I think I've not changed Transmission Oil & Timing Belt in 2 years service earlier (it's a part of 60,000 kms/ 3 years service)

    EDIT 2 : Given a go-ahead for painting the driver side front door. Peeled off laquer spots were not looking good. Cost would be about Rs. 3000 - 3,500. Fiat sticker turned out to be costly for me :(
     
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    VahanPujari, Mar 13, 2012
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  2. FastLove

    FastLove Superiore

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    Hei changed following during 60000km service:

    1. brake discs n pads (disks changed first time, pads were earlier changed at 33000km)

    2. All fluids... Coolant, per steering oil, brake fluids, engine oil(last changed at 53000km)

    3. fuel filter, air filter

    4. Spark plugs

    5. auxiliary belt etc. Not changed the timing belt

    Changed most of stuff as I want to avoid visiting them again

    Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk
     
    FastLove, Mar 13, 2012
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  3. VahanPujari

    VahanPujari Staff Member Janitor

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    Bad News!!

    There was a leakage found in underbody in the morning when we checked. It was suspected to be coolant leakage I faced 3-4 months back. SA just called & said it's Oil seal leakage. The gear box needs to be opened :( While the total parts including Gear Oil is 1k to 1.5k only, the labour cost for opening gear box is enormoous at Rs. 4,500/- :(

    This service is going to cost me a bomb.
     
    VahanPujari, Mar 13, 2012
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  4. gurjinder

    gurjinder Staff Member Janitor

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    Holy Moly!

    Any form of warranty applicable? Gearbox leaking at 60,000 is NOT normal wear and tear. It's the manufacturer's shortcoming.
     
    gurjinder, Mar 13, 2012
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  5. VahanPujari

    VahanPujari Staff Member Janitor

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    I think oil seal leakage would not be a part of warranty. In the same manner that coolant leakage was not part of warranty when I changed the hose. I will still ask. Its like clutch overhaul. Already twice it has been opened while changing clutch kit twice.
     
    VahanPujari, Mar 13, 2012
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  6. sungoa2010

    sungoa2010

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    Is it not covered under warranty(4 years)?
     
    sungoa2010, Mar 13, 2012
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  7. vIjAy_kHaSa

    vIjAy_kHaSa Esperto

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    Discs don't have to be changed unless they are warped or under minimum thickness specified on disc. I am on my third brake pad set with stock discs.
    If you hadn't changed transmission oil @ 2 years I don't think Fiat would honor any warranty claim, It is mandatory to change transmission oil, coolant and brake fluid at 60,000 kms or 2 year whichever is earlier.
    ASS should wave off Labour charges as they must have messed up earlier while opening gearbox for clutch overhaul.
    I would also recommend you to go ahead with timing belt replacement as Fiat recommends to do it @ 60000 kms or 5 years/4 years(demanding use) whichever is earlier. If the belt snaps critical parts in engine would get damaged and it would cost a lot to set them right.
    ASS might not be happy in doing that because it requires lot of time and patience and the labour charges they get for it are not as high or worth as opening gearbox or other such jobs.
    The ASS might have also got confused with MJD's timing chain which doesn't need to be touched unless it starts to make noise but 1.4 Petrol needs to have the Timing belt replaced as belts don't give any foreseen warning and they snap all of a sudden causing bent pistons valves and what not depending on engine.
    If they still insist it's not be changed now have them write it on their official letter head that if the timing belt snaps all the cost would be borne by the company and get it signed.
     
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    vIjAy_kHaSa, Mar 14, 2012
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  8. VahanPujari

    VahanPujari Staff Member Janitor

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    Asked them to change Timing Belt. Cost is only Rs. 600-700. However, the labour cost will be Rs. 1,000 to Rs. 2,000/- :eek: What I've noticed is Labour cost is way too high as compared to Parts.

    For Clutch also, the Kit costs only Rs. 2,500/-, the labour cost is Rs. 4,500/-.
    For Oil Seal, cost of oil seal is Rs. 500/600, Cost of Gear/ Transmission oil is about Rs. 800-900, however the labour cost is Rs. 4,500/-.
    For Bumper replacement, Cost of Bumper is Rs. 2500 - 2700, Painting & Labour cost is more than Rs. 5,000 - 5,500.

    Whatsoever, Fiat keeps the part cost lower, these morons would not let it remain affordable or attractive by charging hefty labour cost. How would a customer feel low cost of ownership?

    EDIT: I'm guessing that Transmission Oil was changed in 45K kms service in July'11 as Clutch kit was replaced (for which they would have opened the gear box).

    Fortune, Sakinaka is taking too much time. It has been 2 days and only the mechanical work will be completed today. Door Painting & 3M Anti-rust free check up & Application is still pending. Minimum it'll be 3 days for this service & other jobs, hope I get the car back tomorrow.
     
    VahanPujari, Mar 14, 2012
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  9. sungoa2010

    sungoa2010

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    Please mail Fiat pointing out the labour cost issue. I may not be reflected on your bill. But let us convey them that customers are unhappy with this practice.
    Is it a looting strategy by TATA? Is it applicable to TATA vehicles also ?
     
    sungoa2010, Mar 14, 2012
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  10. Italia-Linea

    Italia-Linea Staff Member Janitor

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    The gear box oil seal leakages should be covered under warranty. Deny to pay hefty charges. Ask them to show standard labor hour rate and standard time to replace clutch.

    Best way is to stand near your car start the video recording and note down the time required to change the clutch.

    Then look at there chart of standard labor and pay accordingly. if per hour rate is 300 or 400rs pay as 400 X (2hours to change clutch).
     
    Italia-Linea, Mar 14, 2012
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