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Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by Ravi, Jun 1, 2010.

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  1. Sumit

    Sumit Superiore

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    i think this is better-"Fiat-buy at your own risk" :lol:
  2. PaddleShifter

    PaddleShifter Staff Member Janitor

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    Grande Punto 1.3
    One of the main reason I bought it is because I was using it in Need For Speed Videogame. ::V
    Even in videogame, I never touched with its stock looks. Those spoilers etc don't work me on this car.

    I guess they can use this video game to promote the car.
    "Buy a super car that your kids love to drive" or "Surprise your kid by bringing home a super car that he loves" :lol:

    Also, youtube link for Punto in action in that videogame


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  3. Arun1100

    Arun1100 Regolare

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    Hey Yashik, thanks for pics and video link. Never knew about this! :)
  4. vIjAy_kHaSa

    vIjAy_kHaSa Esperto

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    Heck even I love drivig GP in NFS-MW. After driving one in NFS I was not able to drive any other car in game comfortably. Even in game Punto is best handling car.
    The GP in NFS can do a top speed of 381 km/hr and is stable at that speed too.
  5. amit

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    Fiat has always missed the bus thanks to their poor understanding of the market.

    The Palio, specially the GTX, was way ahead of it's time. GTX even came with ABS and Airbags at a time when even a 10 Lakh rupee City didn't have them. Then there was the engine. Fiat gave it a 1.6L 100bhp engine at a time when million rupee car's like Astra came with 90 odd bhp, even Ikon and Accent had 90 odd bhp. It was a hatch with a 1.6L engine at a time when 1.1L was the norm in hatchbacks. Naturally they burnt their fingers with it. Fiat also failed to position the Palio 1.2 correctly. The build quality penalised fuel efficiency (apart from the Italians failing to recaliberate the speedo which resulted in lesser mileage!!) at a time when no body cared for build quality, ride , suspension etc. Most people still don't!

    Cut to 2010. The market has matured to some extent. People are willing to accept a 100bhp hatch but as they say 'someone that's burnt their mouth drinking hot milk will blow even cold buttermilk before drinking'. Fiat should have brought in the 90bhp MJD and petrol Punto from day one. T-Jet should have followed a year later followed by the 1.6 MJD another 6 months after the T-Jet launch. For Linea, they should have launched the 90bhp MJD and T-Jet petrol from day one. 1.6 MJD should have followed a year later. There is nothing wrong with these engines. Sure they are underpowered, heavy weight of the car with the poor gear ratio's are the main culprits rather then the engine's themselves IMO. Maybe they should have been tuned better.

    What Fiat needs to understand is that both the Punto and Linea, specially the Punto, look very sporty and purposeful. Good engines will only be sone pe suhaga for these cars. The T-Jet can be tuned to produce various power outputs so why not launch the Linea and Punto T-Jet with 118 and 130bhp versions? The 130 bhp version can get sport seats, spoilers, skirts a la S10. Fiat has the fire power why dont' they use them?! Bottom line is, people will happily pay for a 130bhp Punto rather then pay for a 130bhp Swift. Try it Fiat. It's a pity you dont' understand your own products, their image and your buyers. No wonder you are where you are today. Don't follow Maruti & Hyundai. People don't expect volume cars from you. Position yourself a little higher then these cars. Ask for more money. But give us better engines and interiors. Punto is a young car. It's a car a single guy or a newly married couple would buy. Swift is a car that a newly married couple in a joint family would buy. That is the difference.

    Imagine a T-Jet petrol with good interiors for the price of a top end i20 Crdi. Which one would you buy?
  6. jumu

    jumu Superiore

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    Amit,

    You are spot on with your observation. FIAT needs to read such suggestions and implement such advices in a hurry or a they may miss another bus !. Apply for a consultant job in FIAT india. Your desperations are bringing out brilliant observations !!

    Abdul
  7. Sumit

    Sumit Superiore

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    is there anyway to contact Fiat Italy so that we can discuss problems directly with Mr. Sergio Marchhione CEO of Fiat. what needs to be done for its indian arm.
  8. Sumit of www.fiat.com there is a contact us link. Maybe you can try that and see if you get a response
  9. kaps

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    IMHO, the only thing left for Fiat to do is bring in aggressive price correction :steering . Right now, 1.3 MJD FGT/VGT is placed far beyond the reach of mass market. Fiat must keep 90bhp as niche and start throat cutting pricing war on other variants :twisted: . 1.2 active should be brought down to position between Swift and i10.

    Here's a look at various contenders

    Fiat
    1.2 active 4.35
    1.3 active 5.2
    1.4 no active variant.

    Maruti
    Swift 1.2 LXi 4.27
    LDi 4.98

    Ritz 1.2 LXi 4.1
    Ritz LDi 4.8

    Hyundai i10 1.2 kappa 4.1

    Vista Safire 3.54

    Ford
    Figo duratec 3.58
    duratorq diesel 4.58

    (all prices from carwale.com)
    Facts are clear. The cheapest Fiat (1.2 active) is costlier than the costliest competitor (Swift 1.2). In case of 1.3 also, the story remains the same. So the prospective buyer thinks, this is the costliest car, do I get the bang for the buck. Answer is NO. The competition, through paid advertising and effective management, has created tags of poor plastics and underpowered. So the buyer is already thinking: Itna mehnga hai, power bhi nahin aur finish bhi nahin.

    Fact is, as a package, Fiat outscores the competitor on many fronts, but the "paisa vasool" public is not going to look at the package. Bare bones 1.2 active and 1.3 active need to be positioned close to the market leaders to reap best benefits.
    Fiat has gained an entry into buying list, now is the time to push for consolidation into top three contenders in that prospective list. Ford has done it beautifully, Fiat too must cut down the prices.
  10. PaddleShifter

    PaddleShifter Staff Member Janitor

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    I would like to add that Swift/Figo/Beat are not competition to i20/Punto/Polo/Jazz.

    Punto competes mainly with i20, Polo and Jazz.

    BUT, look at Fiat.

    - You can't buy OEM Blaupunkt HU for Punto dynamic in case you want it for cosmetic reasons. You can do so in i20.

    - Punto emotion does not have a USB/AUX-in. How many of us still burn CDs everyday/everytime a new song enters our playlist? You get both USB/AUX in i20 right from magna variant and steering controls in middle variant.

    - You do not get dual tone interiors in Active/Dynamic as Fiat expects people to opt for emotion if they want dual tone. You get dual tone interiors in i20 even in the base variant- Era(price 4.5lacs). i20 already has great interiors. Hello Fiat, such people turn to i20 rather than spending more on Punto..

    - Active/dynamic are brilliant packages Fiat. You are not doing justice. What stops you from using a beige plastic of Linea instead of black/grey plastic in Punto? Why can't you use beige color? Saving Rs2000 on plastic color? You have raised the prices every month. Why not raise them further by 2k and add beige color plastic? Even Chevy Spark has beige color.

    - Look at i20 Era at 4.5lacs. It even has 6 speakers though it does not have a HU. And those component speakers rock if you hear them.

    - How much would it cost Fiat to add a chrome ring around the speedo and tacho in Active variant?

    - Finally, if Hyundai can get 80bhp from 1.2kappa and has ARAI 18kmpl, if Chevy Beat is 80bhp@1.2L, if Micra is 80bhp@1.2L engines, why Fiat can't have that same tuning?

    - Was it necessary to name it "Palio Stile" instead of "Stile"? The word "Palio" still haunts Fiat because of Fiat's past deeds. A brilliant car for the mass market @3.5lacs lost.

    I believe if Fiat can answer these 8 questions, they can have a winner.
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