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Fiat India - Future Plans

Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by Ravi, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. SOOZ_P

    SOOZ_P Regolare

    Grande Punto 1.3
    If new products are coming in 2017, it should be displayed at least in Autoexpo 2016. But this has not been shown, i take from this, in 2017 nothing new is coming (localised). So based on Fiat india's past track record, if they start showcasing something in 2017 Autoexpo, the product will be available in late 2018/19. Till that point enjoy your
    Punto- With Rear wheel / Without Rear wheel / With old dash / New dash / lowest power / moderate power/ Big Power
    Linea- lowest power / moderate power / bigger power / Unique Color

    Good strategy without investing much. Kevin Flynn will get ratings of exceeds expectations for keep it going in India with investing as low as possible.
    All the best all fiat fans existing here. At least see the Fiat logo for some more years in India.
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  2. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

    delhi ncr
  3. asimpleson

    asimpleson Esperto

    Linea 1.3
    Clearly the pace of things is a sour point @prabhjot. Maybe they know more about global shifts and have been advised to tread lightly by their 'experts' we never know.
    Maybe Teamfiatians have the opportunity to be overzealously vocal about their opinions. But that is also because irrespective of being able to sell the cars to their friends, families and colleagues on technical grounds, ground reality of market is very different. Some like Renault take the leap while Fiat looses out on the action or so some of us feel.

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  4. bibin

    bibin Regolare

  5. jackharrisw

    jackharrisw Amatore

    Read the article. WAIT AND WATCH MODE?? For what? :banghead:
  6. gpunto75

    gpunto75 Amatore

    Grande Punto 1.3
    The Hidden lines,
    The fiat spokesman said, "Actually we are waiting and trying to hold on to all our spares supply. We are watching if our customers can do without spares, if our after sales can do without business. If this happens, then we will sell our cars in a packet that Will be available in malls alongside the Maggi."
    "We are waiting to see if Already crowded Indian roads in cities get wider, so that we can come up with Jeeps. We waited for 3 years But hopeless traffic conditions didn't allow us to do that. No , foolish small cars for such conditions is against our policy."
    "We are waiting for our to- be- customers to make more money, so we didn't make Jeeps here itself, we are importing them as CBU."
    "And we still are surprised how some bunch of so called enthusiasts still believe in our brand. They are more inteested in our plans than we are. We ourselves don't believe in our brand".
  7. Vidhyashankar Kannan

    Vidhyashankar Kannan Regolare

    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    That article is quite surprising at at time like this. But looking at the past, it shouldn't be surprising either. There is a clear indifference to the brand and it looks like the company too is quite indifferent to the people. I am really surprised to see that there is not even one dealer to sell in Mumbai. So there are no Abarths in Mumbai. A very sad state of affairs.

    If dealers themselves are boycotting the brand and Renault has managed to usurp them, then its obvious that a company that has been in the country far before Maruti is just disinterested in the market. Anyway, what has to happen will happen. Right now, things are ok. So I will continue enjoying my two Fiats till there is a permanent move either way.
  8. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

    delhi ncr
    Not the slightest thing new in this article. Their 2013 plan (when theysplit from Tata and setup independent dealerships, then launched the new Linea etc) was ALREADY and ALWAYS on the end-2016 through to 2017 and even 2018, very explicitly.

    They were fools to think this market would give the slightest response to the new Linea, the Pubto Evo, the Avventura or, now, Abarth, despite these cars still being among the best looking, best priced, best warrantied, best-engined etc etc.

    Meanwhile Nagesh f-ed up enough to get the sack, and Kevin F was brought in, obviously more for Jeep than for Fiat. The FIAT brand is still sticking to the original plan schedule, with a 6-month delay or so, caused by Nagesh's sacking and Kevin F's arrival.

    The origianl plan, though, hinged on minimally-decent sales (for dealers and ass centres). Since that has not happened: there is this spreading 'Kolaveri', among dealers, owners, internet/forum-gossip mongers and bitchers, etc.

    Now: imo they must soon and openly and with advertizements announce their new model-launch plans (even if only starting in 2017, rather than end-2016 for the 'new Avventura' as per the original plan).

    OR: in case, they've decided, as I think they should, that FIAT has not-a-hope-in-hell in India as a brand, irrespective of what they launch, with what styling, or engines, of gizmo-levels, and at however attractive a price, they should openly announce the shut-down of the brand.

    In any case, imo the indian car market has been and is still in a slowdown or recessionary mode (begun in 2012/2013) when you look at many stats. Which is why, the accumulated losses of all firms barring Maruti, Hyundai and Mahindra have soared unbelievably since then. FCA has, of course, managed to make good-money in the meantime, despite or arguably precisely because it did not bet too much capital behind doomed-new-models, something several other firms have been stupid enough to do (Nissan, Chevrolet, Ford with the new figo+aspire, Honda with several new, pure-sales-duds, Tata's brand-dealer-and-quality-make-over launches are flopping hugely too). Other firms have, as much, indeed more than FCA, been totally passive in India in this period: Toyota (post total failure of Etios/Liva), VW and Skoda too.

    I feel: the indian economy and with it even the urban 'consumption story' which has sort-of held a bit deflated but still steady has been and will more and more: slowdown or worse in many sectors and parts of the country, perhaps even, like so much of the rest of the world slip-into a full-blown 'crisis'....by 2017.

    In such conditions: there is NO way a weak and stigmatised brand like Fiat or indeed VW or Skoda or Nissan or Chevy or even Tata can possibly 'cope' and compete.

    FCA should, if they feel equally pessimistic about the Fiat brand despite the efforts since 2013 (such as they were: modest-to-decent imo, perfectly awful in the eyes of most/all others), shut the brand and most of its dealers down, moving some of the best ones over to Jeep. They should do that well-in-time, else the Jeep brand will gain the same stigma as Fiat's, if they do it just a year or 2 after the Jeep brand is established. And do so openly and announce and advertize the fact too, also advertizing their commitment to making-in-india but.....only for Tata and Suzuki, and of course for exports, which will grow hugely in value terms once the Jeep(s) start local manufacture at Ranjangaon.

    As for us current owners: where's the problem? As long as spares continue to be well-available, esp: via e-commerce and, or even just 'or', at most/all third-party workshops and branded workshop chains.....there's no suffering IMO. It is not as if outside mechanics and workshops are poor, in fact the opposite is often true, imo, across brands and models, even high-cost, rare, 'phoren' ones. As for Resale value, well......it is the 'low resale value rumour' that killed the brand in the first place, and so destroyed resale 'value' (a misnomer, what is meant is: 'resale price-signal-mistaken-for-accurate-value-evaluation'), despite the new cars, the new dealers, the refreshed cars, the numerous ad campaigns, the Avventura and the Abarth Punto too), in the form of a 'self-fulfilling prophecy'.

    The negative momentum of brand-stigmatisation in India, esp in cars, is very very high. For FIAT (and a few other brands too) it is extreme, like a stock-market: a self-fulfilling prophecy indeed.

    Therefore, FCA should take the difficult call of openly (rather than steathily or in a 'wait and see and try a bit again later, in 2017 or 2018' way) declaring the 'retirement' of the great, old desi FIAT brand from India.

    To try again or further, will be to risk large losses, with ultra-dim chances of even-modest success, IMO. Make cars and suv-s for and provide tech to Tata, and Suzuki, export and retail Jeeps, do good r&d work for global markets, develop suppliers here even-more, export in-sourced components, powertrains and transmissions to other FCA countries: that's a great, and uniquely succesful business model they have here. Only thing to ruin it will be further attempts, even if with-full-force and not modest, to get enough-folks to buy FIATs. Let Chevy, tata, ford, nissan, renault and honda+toyota keep trying and....failing to profit in India, in an India that will join the world in a major slowdown, or worse, this year or next. India held-up better than anyone else, post-2008 global financial crisis, but by-now that luck and ammo has run out, am afraid. Car sales and rvenues+profit-margins (will) show that, big-time.

    It happens. Sigh, shrug, etc.
  9. ghodlur

    ghodlur Esperto

    An interesting article to read about Fiat in the present times.


    But what scares me the most is this:

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  10. Vidhyashankar Kannan

    Vidhyashankar Kannan Regolare

    Avventura 1.3 90 HP
    Its ok @ghodlur . They have already said that they will "wait and watch". So let them. The decision will be made for them.

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