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Fiat India - Future Plans

Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by Ravi, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

    delhi ncr
    FIAT's 'timing' is hardly like v v s laxman's was, that is for sure! More like a Rahul dravid minus the frontfoot defence and the exquisite sense of what balls to leave alone, to 'well left!'

    No fours, just a few singles (Abarth) and little strike rotation either: just surviving, and so the 'asking rate' is soaring!:p:blackeye::watching:

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  2. gpunto75

    gpunto75 Amatore

    Grande Punto 1.3
    I'm off topic.

    Tipo, 500x, Renegade all will be suitable for Indian market, agreed. I think these all ifs and buts depend on how Indian customers accept these new models. And how well prepared Fiat will be for service provision of these models.
    And don't you think the competition will be ready for it. They will be bringing same segment products, those will be 200 to 400 kilos lighter than fiats/Jeeps. And would common Joe notice it. No. Seeing is believing, we just see the volumes of Cars, aah Swift is just as big as Punto, but who is going to weigh them. Who is going to check its structural integrity. We look for DRLs, blue tooth, touchscreen hu in a car under 4 lakhs. Are ready to travel 6 people in an alto on a highway, but don't care for our safety.
    Are the two present models, punto and linea not competent enough against the other makers? , yes they are, but what happened. Show me such value for money cars in India. Fiat just was too late to revise these models from time to time. It didn't just took out heavy metal, made them light, made huge profit per car and used it to revise the gizmos and keep the interest going.
    We are not a matured car market. We Indians just don't buy a car. We want someone to entertain our EGO. MSIL dealers here even offer agarbattis in freebies. We just need "son in law treatment". MSIL has been just doing this and selling Cheap products.
    As rightly said by Prabhjot Sir, fiat should think of exports first. Then think of Indian market and bring in newer models. If its well accepted, well than good. Else export them. No one cares here for fiat, neither they shall.
  3. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

    delhi ncr

    A very nice analytic article from Autocar UK on the novel-approach being attempted by FIAT in Europe with the non-500-type models: the Tipo sedan, hatch and SW+crossover(?)

    The analytic framework applies exactly to India too, starting with one key element most/all of us fail to take into account: how THE HELL do you make ANY money in India/Europe etc?

    The solution they've come up with is to develop and export the car to europe from....turkey: lower labour and engineers' charges, newer cutting-edge Gold WCM-certified plant, hugely depreciated currency. Meanwhile the Aegea already has 20000+ confirmed sales/pre-orders in Turkey itself.

    The same applies to India: India is like Turkey here. Find one or three models that are exportable in good numbers, and then the Indian FIAT brand sales- and RonI problem could probably disappear. But if not, perpetual losses loom, just as is the case for all carmakers in Europe (PSA, FORD, OPEL/GM, VW and SEAT, Renault too)

    It was claimed to me recently by the manager of a FIAT dealership here in dilli ncr that the Tipo will be offered in 2016. I took it as a dubious assumption on his part.

    However, who knows, perhaps they'll ckd the turkish-imported one (exactly like Renault did with the Fluence), offer it in 2016 as a brand-activity-builder (like the Abarths) BEFORE the real localized all-new FIATs (new Punto, new Grand Sienna, new Avventura) start to arrive in 2017 going into 2018? Turkish pricing of the Aegea seems really really competitive, so maybe they can price it quite like say the Hyundai Elantra: 15-18 lakhs ex-showroom? The segment's sales are dipping, even for Toyota and the Elantra, but it is an obvious stop-gap till the Brazilian models start getting made in 2017 and 2018.

    If, as all speculation on Italian and Brazilian automag sites and fora, the new Punto and Grand Sienna will emulate the Tipo's styling, then offering the Tipo in 2016 as a brand and styling-class-lingo and high tech[ddct+tjet, ddct+1.6mjd] (re)establishment device makes great sense, of course ckd-ed from Turkey, just like all the d-segment sedans are, inclusing the Elantra and the Corolla, let alone the Jetta and the Octavia (the latter being the pioneer of the TIPO's high-quality-at-lower-cost approach, in Europe.)
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  4. hydrofuel

    hydrofuel Novizio

    I think now is the right time to launch Adventure Locker in 4x2 and 4x4 versions with localisation. When they launched Siena weekend and Palio adventure the market was not ripe.

    Another mistake IMO they made while separating from Tata was to give dealership to third party. Instead they should have gone COCO way thereby having better control over service aspect. It would be one time investment but would have worth in long run. Also margin from sales and service would be of FIAT only.
  5. nkrishnap

    nkrishnap Staff Member Janitor

    Linea 1.3
    If wishes were horses. Phew.

    A C+ segment car cannot become D segment even if the company wishes to do it. They will fall flat on their face. If Agea is coming, then it should replace Linea and can go higher by maximum 1 lakh, else it will be a sales dud from day 1.

    The tooling for the RHD version is not ready, what makes you think that they will get it as CKD, remote chance my dear friend. The tooling and vendor development does not happen overnight, it takes months. So if you are presuming that it will come in 2016, a very remote chance I would say even if Fiat is burning midnight oil (which they wont do, as India is not on their prime radar).

    You can post another thousand times about Agea being a D segment luxury, but the reality is that Agea is a C segment budget sedan does not change. May be you will be the sole customer if priced at 18 Lakhs. No offense meant here.
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  6. Raj_pol

    Raj_pol Superiore

    Punto Evo 1.3
    @nkrishnap Any idea on what Fiat intends to do for the remaining showrooms for the year 2016? It would be extremely tough for them to sustain one more year on the ageing Linea and Punto. Also CBU prices for Jeep(if that is the way) means they will sell just a few across the country. So in the end if we still do not have anything for the country they may seriously have to shut shop :(

    I was hoping some affordable models like the new Agea or maybe jeeps made in India both of which seems unlikely here.
  7. nkrishnap

    nkrishnap Staff Member Janitor

    Linea 1.3
    They will not shut shop. But you can see the dealer numbers shrink. However its good in one way that the dealer will invest once he sees decent numbers. Investment here means not expanding, but like stocking more spares etc.

    Hopefully rationalisation of dealership happens which will also a way of getting rid of notorious dealers.
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  8. bibin

    bibin Regolare


    it seems that the dealerships has already shrunk in other states but in Kerala, the dealerships are ever growing.

    2 more dealerships are coming for fiat in the next 3 to 4 months.

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  9. Murphy_Fiat

    Murphy_Fiat Superiore

    Linea T-Jet
    Trivandrum is Flooded with Fiats.
  10. PradeepM

    PradeepM Staff Member Janitor

    Linea 1.3
    True, Kerala has the maximum sales of Abarth too.


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