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Fiat India - Future Plans

Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by Ravi, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

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    2017: It's in the '5 year plan', now close to 2 years old, and more or less being adhered-to (with some time lags in some cases: e.g., Abarth-launch) by FCA, not just in India but in Brazil, Europe, Italy, Turkey, China....and the US.

    I guess i trust their 'plan', or at least their commitment to it.

    In fact, I differ from that India-plan rather than being a proponent though I am ultimately a 'supporter'. In any case, it doesn't matter, since they'll do what they'll do. They make money in India now, and they will then too (in 2017-18).

    In the sense that mefeels the sub-10-lakh, mass market-segment-type cars (i.e., Punto in non-Abarth-form, and especially Linea) should be ditched in favour of exportable models above C segment, especially CUV-s/Suv-s like the in-plan-for-end-2016 'new Avventura' b-suv, and the 500X, retaining the emphasis on the Abarth-s, of course. Plus JEEP.
  2. Amit Rox

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    FCA India new mobile website, looks good.

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  3. driveit

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    Really good...
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  5. prabhjot

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    http://auto.economictimes.indiatime...rack-under-new-india-ceo-kevin-flynn/49428333

    The good nay great Kevin Flynn, in a sort-of interview to the Economic Times.

    Now, the Jeep c-suv plans are on, the brand launches more or less at the AutoExpo in feb 2016, one guesses. Hopefully Fiat and Jeep dealerships will be dovetailed in the biggest cities? And hopefully there will be a strong e-commerce strategy too, for both brands.

    Mr. Flynn can, given his history as a sales and branding specialist, be trusted to ensure the JEEP brand is launched with due, full-spectrum promotions.

    The concern for dealer viability is patent, and excellent.

    The disappointing bit is the news about the hatch, sedan and suv off the new modular, lightened version of the Palio platform, rather than Aegea sedan+cross-hatch+hatch off the susw. i.e., new Brazilian Punto/Palio, Grand Sienna and New Avventura. None of which are ready yet, though apparently will be by 2017, or so my insider source on allpar.com tells me. And as per original plan from 2 years ago, also repeatedly confirmed to hormadz sorabji of Autocar last year twice, with the 1.5 mjd too he was told, with upto 100kgs lightening while boosting rigidity and strength of the Palio platform, the very one Indian Linea-s and Punto-s are based on.

    Nothing about the 500X or even the 500L or indeed the JEEP Renegade, which is disappointing for those of us who suspect that Fiat cannot possibly yet compete in the meat of the Suzuki and Hyundai dominated market, i.e., the c-segment. And must target the space and the price point between the c and the d segments, as well as the d segment proper with crossovers from Fiat and Jeep.

    Of course, if, like the current Indian Linea et al, the new lightened Palio-platform new Punto, new Avventura and new Grand Sienna are just the same outwardly as the Turkish/European Aegea cars, more or less: that will be sweet indeed and a good prospect in the marketplace. But since these cars will not be particularly exportable in rhd format, one has to fear for FCA's ability to make any profits of these expensive new launches in and for india?? Unless their export strategy will focus more on Jeep and on the many shared components, modules and sub-assemblies including engines and transmissions, thereby making an India-only bunch of launches viable and relatively risk-free? Also, perhaps the platform etc will be shared with tata for the next-gen Bolt, Zest etc?

    Lastly, the evidence so far under Kevin Flynn is that FCA India is finally coming to adequate grips, no doubt because of the JEEP brand launch, with the whole dealer+marketing+necessity of all-new products that are at the heart of Fiat's intractable sales problems in India.

    My own hope is that they very selectively downsize the number of dealers while thereby improving the latter's financial viability, and zero-in exclusively on the more 'premium' end of the market, i.e., precisely where the Abarth-s, the Aegea cars, the 500L, the 500X and the Jeep Renegade sit. The last 2 are begging for an India-launch by early 2018, locally-made, even at 14 -15 lakhs plus, with huge rhd export potential to Australia and Japan+Korea+UK!

    Alas, they seem to be sticking to the mass market approach: new Punto, Grand Sienna etc. High risk, expensive and low reward strategy, am afraid.

    Also, on a personal basis, I want the 500X or the Renegade, or at least the Agea hatch/cross (as the promised 'New Avventura') dammit! Please Mr.Flynn, please! :p
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  7. nkrishnap

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    A little birdie informs me that the pre-facelift Grande Punto will be launched soon in the base variant to target the taxi segment and the sticker price would be around 5.5 lakhs.
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  8. adisrini1103

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    Did the birdie say something about palio/uno making an entry? I read in some forum that they are planning to bring a sub-punto car.

    Is this what he meant? Reviving the grande?

    Sad its will be a base variant Grande punto , I would love to see the top end with the 2014 interiors
  9. prabhjot

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    http://motoroctane.com/news/21048-fiat-begins-testing-dual-clutch-gearbox-in-india-exclusive

    If this report is true, and that is likely, given the preparations for the JEEP C-suv local manufacture and, more importantly, that Mike Manley had stated clearly at the time of the announcement of the India 5-year plan (a year and some ago) that FCA India would go from one made-in-india transmission to 3 by 2017: GREAT! 6-speed manual, the ddct and/or the 9-speed ZF-origined one, made-in-india. Presumably to be used by tata too on their new Ranjangaon-made suv-s?

    Question is: will one or two (the 6-speed manual and the ddct) these superior transmissions be seen on FIATs (even if only the t-jet-ed ones, though the ddct is now finally being offered in Europe even on the mjd engined cars like the 500X and the Renegade as well as the new Aegea/Tipo, apparently) in 2016: i.e., on the current models, before the localized Jeep and the all-new FIAT model(s) in 2017?

    Perhaps none of these but instead the made-in-india Magneti Marelli amt for the mjd models (being supplied to Maruti and to Tata) and the ddct for the t-jet ones esp Abarth-s makes the most sense, till 2017 comes?
  10. prabhjot

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    http://carplace.uol.com.br/flagra-fiat-ja-testa-nova-geracao-do-punto-x6h-no-brasil/

    The India-destined in 2017 all-new Punto-replacment b-hatch has started road testing via 'mules' in Brazil. Please use Google translate for the above link in portuguese.

    The project is called X6H. it is rumoured that the hatch that will result will replace both the palio and the punto in brazil.

    The other related project, also destined for India as per FCA's 2 year old product launch plan for india, for the corrsponding sedan, the all-new Grand Sienna, called X6S is also progressing. Apparently fca has just a few days ago announced a big, 650 million$ investment to build the latter and/or possibly the Fiat Aegea/Tipo in Argentina which is seeing rebounding sales and with it FIAT's sales too, even more than the market in Argentina as a whole.

    i.e., it seems the 2 models in the plan scheduled for 2017+, the new Punto and the linea replacement, are more or less on schedule.

    Unless the plan has changed since kevin Flynn took charge. It should have because IMO they must FIRST launch much-more premium and therefore much more expensive models (e.g., 500L or 500X and/or Aegea sedan and/or Aegea crossocer-version-of Aegea hatch) first in 2017, and only in 2018 re-enter the scrum in the Hyundai and Maruti dominated b2-c2 segments? The new Punto and Grand Sienna will be bigger and lighter and faster etc than the current one/the Linea, and may even be better-looking but FIAT must first avail of the lower competition and the greater USP of these more premium model(s) to re-flate the brand.

    Unless there is a plan to export the new Punto from india back to Europe+North Africa+Turkey, then the all-new Punto will not have to rely on its dull sales prospects in india, alone? And/or the new Punto underpinnings are also offered wholesale to tata for deployment as the next-gen vista/Bolt+Zest? Likewise: for the Grand Sienna?

    We will know very soon: Sergio Marchionne et al will be re-presenting the updated global investment and product launch plan and cadence in January 2016. Followed right after by FCA's presumably big showing at the AutoExpo India 2016 in feb.

    It will be very very risky and foolish of them to re-attempt straightaway the 6-11 lakhs segments. They did the heavy facelifts, the new dealers, new ad campaigns, the Avventura.....to no avail whatsoever. Clearly, the plan they're sticking to (which btw included the Abarth Punto t-jet launch) needs altering: by re-centering the brand's offerings in a more 'premium-within-mass' space i.e., in the 10 lakhs and above space, esp with one or ideally 2 'crossovers'.

    FCA, listen: start with say the 500X or even just the 500L instead at 13-16 lakhs and then launch, every 6 months, the other 3models planned so far (New Punto, New Grand Sienna, New Avventura). And if at all possible (depends on the platform+architecture manufacturing flexibility at ranjangaon) do not launch the new Grand Sienna at all but bet on the Aegea sedan instead, if it can be platform-adapted cheaply enough to India, just like the Indian Linea was adapted and differs platform-wise from the Turkish one? Only more so since it seems impossible to export the new Grand Sienna anywhere at all in numbers out-of-India: its main market is in LatAm, after all?
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