Why don't we just drive out of town - within a 50 km range and meet up for lunch somewhere? I am sure we can identify places with ample parking and enough room to accomodate a group. We could gather in the lawn / outdoor area and discuss, get to know each other, break the ice, check out each other's drives and then head inside for lunch. Rajan PS: I cannot make it on 25th either. I am open for 2nd December, though.