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FIAT Aegea launched today...Thursay 21st May, 2015

Discussion in 'Fiat Global News' started by asimpleson, May 21, 2015.

  1. prabhjot

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    https://instagram.com/p/88zRLPBQY9/?taken-by=trlux

    The Aegea hatchback in its final body shape etc, camo-ed.

    There are rumours of at least a Cross version of it too (something Fiat is famous for: the Panda 4x4, Panda Cross, the Palio Adventure Locker, the Sedici, and of course the India-special Avventura, as also the ottimo Cross for china).

    There, after all, are confirmed reports by Autocar UK as well as other insider reports that a c-suv off the susw Aegea-cum-500X-cum-Renegade platform is in the owrks for the FIAT brand for BOTH Brazil as well as Europe, larger and roomier than the 500X, as well as less stylised and very affordable, relative to the segment leader (the Nissan Qashqai/Rogue).
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  2. prabhjot

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    The Fiat Tipo has been launched in Italy. Its 'opening editions' are extremely well-equipped and very very well-priced: a good 2000 to 5000 euros less than the 500x (depending on version), its close platform and powertrain sibling, is.

    Going by these prices, it would seem that Fiat can indeed price the Aegea/Tipo's hypothetical Indian version 2-3 lakhs AT LEAST less than the 500X which could be priced at say 15-16 lakhs. If so, bring both here, FCA!
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  3. limraj

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    I am not happy about the below statement from autocar uk's review.

    But Fiat has not set out to build a driver’s car. Instead the formula here is based around rationality, roominess, content, running costs and competitive transaction price.

    Link here
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  4. prabhjot

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    Yeah @limraj the product-planning and positioning funda of this car is different to the handling above all-else that Autocar UK fetishises (Ford Fiesta etc.) For its target markets in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa the concept is sort of like Dacia, only much better quality and somewhat higher prices, which is why it is being made in Turkey, with its depreciated non-euro currency etc. Between Dacia and Skoda in concept and positioning, very much like say Hyundai and Kia are positioned in Europe+Middle East, only with euro-spec drive character.

    One suspects though that if and when it makes it here in some avatar it'll still be the class-best in ride, handling and other drive characteristics. It is apparently seeing huge orders in turkey, where it is being seen as a sort of national engineering achievement, a somewhat patriotic accomplishment: well begun!

    Its price positioning in those markets does make it seem like they could keep costs down low enough to offer it in india too?
  5. prabhjot

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    A stylised official FIAT longform youtube video for the Aegea/Tipo



    A shorter Italy-specific montage based on the first one's images, set to awesome western classical music.

    PS: it is beginning to seem less and less likely that the Aegea can be brought to India, however localized, at prices at or south of 9-12 lakhs where the City, Vento, Rapid, Ciaz, Verna and of course the Linea etc, though it is, in europe a d-segment car in many ways, but at c-segment prices. Unless they really alter the car's architecture+'platform'. Moreover it is not exportable anywhere, since lhd and rhd Tipo-s will be supplied to Europe, the Middle East and North Africa from turkey. Unless it comes alongwith its hatch-in-crossover avatar and that car is then export-centric enough?

    I guess, then, that the New Grand Sienna is what we'll get, in the end (early 2017?) The rumours on autosegredos.com, the brazilian auto journalism site have it as under development (project x6s) alongwith the new Palio/Punto (project x6h). These will of course be based off an updated and lightened version of the modular Palio 'platform' making re-tooling at Ranjangaon minimal, given the fact that the current generation of that platform is the very one deployed on the Indian Linea/Punto et al. Autosegredos does say based on their latest sources in Fiat brazil that the new G Sienna will be ready by end-2016.

    If so: they're still holding fast to the pre-announced product-plan for India, by Manley et all almost 2 years ago. That, however, IMO would be a mistake, since there's no doubt they FIRST must launch a 12-16 lakhs 500X/Renegade-sized crossover, perhaps a re-worked 500L or a TORO pickup-based b-suv? And only then move downwards back into the scrum of the b2toc2 segments, with the JEEP c-suv and/or Renegade sitting a bit or a lot above that price band (d1-d2).

    However if they can re-architect the platform and architecture of the Aegea sedan to be cheap enough and if then the exports are more of engines, transmissions etc than whole-cars, then perhaps the crossover-ed aegea hatch could be the New Avventura, that 13-16 lakh rupee cuv to go up against the creta, xuv500 etc? That depends on the susw platform being reworked via the Palio, modular '326' platform, like the current Indian Linea+Punto etc were. Is that even possible technically and financially?

    OR: they could offer a re-styled (inside and out) version of the Tata c-suv (safari replacement?) named q501 which will apparently be built alongside the new Indian -made Jeep(s) since it will be targetted at EXACTLY the Creta-XUV-S Cross etc segment? With, meanwhile, the brazilian new Punto, new grand Sienna offered in the 2 segments below that?
  6. Raj_pol

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    @prabhjot Fiat is still moving very very slowly for the Indian market. As you keep saying it may be that they are doing reasonably well in global markets and hence are not so concerned with India. I was reading through the official car sales for Europe, USA and China.

    In the US they have one truck (Ram) in the top 16 vehicles sold. They have none in the top 20 in Europe (Fiat 500 comes in at no 27). Similar story for China. Growth is misleading because it could be from a smaller number.

    So the question then is Fiat really struggling globally to have volume cars (remember BMW, Audi or Mercedes sells in volume unlike in India). The second question is do they have enough firepower to be segment leader in either mass market or luxury segments.

    It is a little surprising considering FCA is No 7 by volumes. If I am in the market now, I would bet on Hyundai. They are creating a base in India and if they expand the way they are doing they might soon reach No 7.

    p.s. I do not have data on South America (I know Brazil they lead - what about the rest and I am talking plain numbers and not growth percentages).

    I also believe after the VW scandal companies that have alternate energy cars could be making a breakthrough.
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  7. prabhjot

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    Well you've got to remember that FCA is a very unique company for the fact that it is SO multibrand, even in the mass market US etc. And so individual models may not be the outright bestsellers but the sales add up to tons, relative to their repective segments. For eg, JEEP sells more suv-s in the US than any other brand (all models put together) with more huge growth happenning currenty and foreseeably, but none is the outright no1 in their price category barring the Renegade. Similarly, the 500+Panda is no1 in its segment in Europe (citycars) as is the 500L, as are one or two of the vans (qubo, doblo, ducato, daily) afaik. The Chrysler 300+Dodge Charger are the top 2 full-size american sedans, and so on. The soon-to-launch Chrysler T&C minivan will be, as it has been historically, the bestselling one in America.

    Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, Chevrolet, Nissan tend to have one brand across segements and vehicle types and across markets and so they appear even-bigger-than-they-are, while FCA appears smaller despite selling 4.8 million cars last financial year only because Fiat plays in only some segments in only some geographies, likewise Fiat Professional vans which sell big, likewise Dodge and Chrysler and Ram, while JEEP is the only fca brand that is rapidly becoming a truly global one in market segment and geographic coverage but it too is only an suv-specialist.

    Under Marchionne fca does not seek volumes and model-type comprehensive-coverage for-its-own-sake unlike say Renault-Nissan or Ford or GM. He is obsessed about having vehicles that have USPs and that are profitable: that is why FCA is 'slow', he just does not hesitate to, for eg, ride out recessions with no/few new-launches even if supposedly overdue as he did in europe post their economic crisis. This strategy is why FCA is profitable even in Europe and simultaneously in Latin America too while hardly anyone or afaik none of the other bigger mass-market firms are. That is why FCA usa has grown continuously for 67 months in a row, and is now rapidly reducing incentives and raising profit margins fast (up from 3.xx to 6.xx % in 2 quarters). He is a shrewd gambler: bets only when and if the odds are in his favour: profitable in India despite puny sales numbers, etc etc.

    One senses that the Aegea x 3 models will also do very well, that is the effect of having been 'slow': by waiting out the european recession and by pulling manufacturing of such mass-market bread and butter cars from italy while 'slowly' settingup and ultra-competitive yet high-quality large scale setup for their manufacture in turkey. And so while everyone else lost and continues to lose money in europe in the aegea segment (ford focus, vw golf, opel astra, renault megane....) fca neither lost money and moreover now has cars of a value-proposition that is staggering for those markets.

    Let's see what FCA has lined-up for India in specific terms, we know concretely, hopefully, at the AutoExpo in feb 2016: Jeep launch+the new india-bound Fiat(s) displayed?
  8. prabhjot

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    http://www.autoweek.nl/nieuws/35448/fiat-tipo-wint-autobest-2016-titel

    (Please use Google translate to translate from the dutch)

    The Fiat Tipo/Aegea sedan has been named the 'BestBuy for modelyear 2016' by AutoBest, something like most VFM i think?

    The Tipo sedan apparently has a 1000 orders on its very first weekend on offer in the Italian market, NOT a sedan market at all, to go with 20000 in turkey in its first month there, or so reports go.
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  9. limraj

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    the English version, from MotorOctane.
    http://motoroctane.com/news/22512-fiat-tipo-wins-international-autobest-2016-award

    The other finalists whom Tipo beat to the top spot were the new Honda CR-V, new Opel Astra, new Hyundai Tucson, and the Mazda CX-3. According to the jury, Fiat Tipo is an outstanding product with all the ingredients needed to satisfy an average customer of Europe: design, engines, perceived quality, comfort, versatility and excellent price-to-quality ratio.

    Fiat-Tipo-2016-Espa%C3%B1a-2.jpg

    The Tipo sports a reliable suspension layout for great driving dynamics, road-holding and outstanding passenger comfort. The suspension layout is optimised to reduce weight and contribute to improving the car’s fuel-efficiency.
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  10. Raj_pol

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    @prabhjot The article mentions that Fiat Linea won the award in 2008 and it did so badly in India. I guess then the Tipo would not also sell in India.

    p.s. I did see the Ford Figo (a shiny red) in person in my office campus. Such a stunning design and then the Maruti Dzire sells 18k in India :hilarious::hilarious::eek::eek:
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