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FCA statement on diesel emissions of its mjd-s, vw's dieselgate, regulations etc.

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    http://www.allpar.com/news/2016/04/fca-in-the-clear-on-smog-cheat-31588

    German investigators themselves find VW to be the only cheats, and also reportedly find FCA to among the firms with acceptable-within-limits real-world emissions deviations. Reuters, Autonews etc are also reporting this.

    A non-government French investigation also finds FCA's among the least deviant-in-the-real-world, unlike most/all dci diesels from Renault-Nissan, and some from Peugeot-Citroen. Opel/GM diesels (also mjd-related) are also somewhat more deviant, apparently.

    Relatedly, this very interesting interview with the 'father' of the Fiat Powertrain multijet diesel family and of course the famous direct-injection 'invention':

    http://europe.autonews.com/article/...ions-scandal?cciid=internal-anehome-mostright

    @asimpleson
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    Doesn't come as a surprise given elaborate methods used by Fiat in cars generally certified to European norms. Which is why a botch up by VW is such a big big news. If that is not reason good enough to believe in Fiat we have big daddy GM which knows how badly they would get affected should they flout norms in US. SDE is a joint product between GM and Fiat. However the same company botched it up here in India not too long ago with their diesel powered Tavera.
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    http://www.autonews.com/article/201...italy-in-snub-of-germany-over-emissions-probe

    FIAT (i.e., Marchionne) via the Italian government is 'snubbing' the German transport ministry which has been via research by the german press and german 'green' ngo-s been trying desperately to (a) relativize VW group's cheating on diesel emissions by equating 'gaming' with 'cheating', and (b) take charge of the EU regulatory re-writing post-that-scandal in order to, what else, do what they've always done for the last 10-20 years: protect and promote the German auto industry's needs and ambitions, esp VW's which is entangled in its ownership and management with the government, trade unions and political parties.

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    If VW+the Porsche/Piech families+trade unions etc look past their national noses (currently in the dirt, reputationally and financially) they'd re-open the serious merger discussions with fca that apparently were heavily underway right uptil....dieselgate. The VW group needs nothing so much as a visionary, wise, ethical and hard-working ceo like, who else, Marchionne himself! Besides, their diesel engines are crap, VW loses money and is set to lose many many billions more, not to mention their advertizing and their usa-market-zombie-status.
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    Reading the thread its shocking to know VW is not as what is perceived. German auto industry is well known as worlds best and all the everybody takes a leaf from them as their learning.

    Proud to be Fiatian as they neither compromise on the structure nor cause hazardous emission into the environment.
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    While FCA esp Fiat group in europe is the many-years reigning champion among industrial groups as far as their 'green' credentials go (Dow Jones sustainability index), it is however true that even the multijet diesels show great real-world divergence as far as NOx goes compared to test conditions.

    The best diesels allround, all things considered, are BMW's, though Fiat is still clearly the best as far as smaller, cheaper diesels go (1.3, 1.6, 2.0, now the terrific new all-aluminium 2.2).

    The German government is bailing out VW et al after their 'dieselgate' scandal by using a 'green cover' as it were to subsidise a big move to EVs: 1 billion euro-s worth of subsidies, annually.

    i.e., the german govt sponsorship and protection of VW group is greatly harming the other european manufacturers by destroying their margins and raising their costs, this after years worth of over-aggressive price-warring by vw et alin the eurpean market EVEN though the vw plants are far too expensive, overmanned and the vw brand loses money (in real terms) there, and has been for years BEFORE diselgate.

    @Giridhar

    THAT is why Marchionne's been contemptuous of them for years, although now it would seem all-too prudent for crisis-ridden VW group to reopen some sort of 'merger' deal with him and FCA, as was apparently being discussed between them uptil dieselgate at the VW board level
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    https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&r...6GhA1Xs_77u02GgsK5J0-g&bvm=bv.122676328,d.c2I


    The German transpost ministry is, in the very all-too correct guise of 'empirical real world' testing etc positioning and jockeying for a repeat of the domination of EU's emissions+fuel-efficiency+car-regulations which are all under severe question and heavy-rewriting.

    The chosen technique is to

    (a) suggest that 'gaming' of the NOx emissions and homologation regime is the same as VW's outright cheating (rather than mere avoidance or evasion, something Renault-Nissan, opel, BMW and Merced too have been 'found' to've engaged-in, although nobody knows what the criteria should be to evaluate different emissions-reduction strategies, GIVEN costs, performance AND fuel-efficiecy+CO2 tradeoffs, AND the not inconsiderable fact thet the dominant firm and models in europe (namely VW) was as it were 'setting the market competition bar' SO low for these other european diesel-based firms

    (b) do so in the name of Green or environmental commitment, even as 1 billion euros worth of new Germany-only EV subsisidies are being provided to the German car companies

    (c) to single-out the American-(part)owned firms: namely gm-owned OPEL and of course FCA, since it is ONLY the American regulators and lawyers who've called the German bluff, with grave financial consequences for VW group (at last count 17 billion euros,with more fines and penalties etc coming, depending on court judgements)

    (d) the larger context in europe of the severe breakdown of the EU system, with Germany and its camp followers in severe budding-outright-ENMITY with Italy, Spain, Greece, parts of british, polish, hungarian and french populations. Italy's PM Renzi is taking a strongly anti-German public stance, in the name of EU-wide new-policies, and many of his proposals have tremendous intellectual and moral-political legitimacy.

    This last point makes it exceedingly dangerous for FCA and the entire non-german auto industry in europe: the hypocritical international politics that is being played out via the EU-level issue of the emissions-testing, ev state subsidies, co2 and fuel efficiency standards etc etc has many other dimensions.
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