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  1. ENKI

    ENKI Esperto

    I was reading about Chrysler's news on ALLPAR & bang!! This baby flashed on my desktop.
    Uncle Sam's Super car is back!!
    Immediately one can notice the aura & styling of the Italian Trio, the prancing horse, Goddess with the Trident & Serpent.

    Make way for the beloved baby of Ferrari & Maserati, The 2013 SRT Viper:cool!!
    The Viper is back, and it’s set to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And guess which car just ran out of bubble gum:mrgreen:.

    No turbos or V8s here; the Viper sticks with the 8.4 liter naturally aspirated V10, now lightened by 28 pounds over its 2010 predecessor but cranked up to an outlandish 640 horsepower at 6,150 rpm and 600 lb-ft of torque at 4,950 rpm.
    The highest torque figures achieved by any naturally aspirated gasoline engine ever!!

    A car that’s 100 to 150 pounds lighter than the 2010 Viper, and you get a 3,297 horsepower machine with a power-to-weight ratio smack between the Ferrari F12 and the Lamborghini Aventador. “The Ferrari had to be faster,” SRT’s Ralph Gilles cracked during the car’s debut!!

    The seats sourced from the same guys who make Ferrari’s chairs, Sabelt..!!

    Mr. Gilles, We know that it is developed & tested completely Maranello until it came to US for final testings;)..!

    Though 0-100 timings & prices are not revealed but initial report at ALLPAR suggests that it will manage at 2.9 secs for 0-100 km/hr & a price tag of 1,30,000 $. Absolutely half the price of an entry level Ferrari & bang among Porsche/Audi R8 V10/Nissan GTR/Corvette ZR1.

    The 2013 SRT Viper from Dodge: Rumor Roundup

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  2. gurjinder

    gurjinder Staff Member Janitor

    Does the Viper V10 still have pushrods? :D :lol

    It certainly looks fresher.
  3. ENKI

    ENKI Esperto

    Hemi's have been push-rods right from beginning. Again the budget conditions & Ferrari's involvement, it's cost is expected more. Well, people claim that their car can touch 300 km/hr but to sustain that speed for more than 10-15 secs, it needs to have that sort of suspension/aerodynamics. I think if they compromised on engine, may be they have uplifted the remaining aspects, i hope? I hope this VIPER would turn out a surprise.

    I would say it could be real deal with lots of margin for Chrysler if it turns out to be a good track car. Ferrari's engine cost alone will cover cost of such cars. It's has coating of DLC (diamond like carbon) on hydraulic tappets & Grafal on pistons to reduce frictional coefficient, extremely expensive process. If as media reports suggests, the car is indeed completely designed & developed by Ferrari in Maranello, it could be a poor man's Ferrari. They just didn't mind the size of the engine as they needed more power obviously, gosh!! who puts 8.4 ltr engine today in a car. At end of the day it's still BHP/Torque. Obviously they maintained good torque graph with 500 lb/ft@3000RPM readily available (80%??).
    May be wait for some test drive review but Chrysler is hardly doing a wrong thing these days!
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2012
  4. ENKI

    ENKI Esperto

    Ferrari unveils high speed train in Italy – Train zooms at 360 kilometres per hour

    Ferrari unveils high speed train in Italy – Train zooms at 360 kilometres per hour:cool

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    NAPLES: As Europe’s first privately owned high-speed train hit 300 kph just outside Naples, Ferrari chairman Luca Cordero di Montezemolo smiled at the suggestion that he was addicted to risk and velocity. “Yes,” he said. “Yes, speed and risk, risk in terms of economic risk. I think an entrepreneur has to risk, if not, he is not an entrepreneur anymore.” Montezemolo and a consortium of private investors are taking a 1 billion euro ($1.3 billion) risk that they can provide better high-speed train service between major Italian cities than state-run Trenitalia, taking advantage of a 2006 European Union move to open up track to competition.

    “We have brought an end to one of the longest monopolies in the history of our country. Finally, Italian travellers and tourists can choose,” he said. The new company, called NTV, or Nuovo Trasporto Viaggiatori, starts service between Rome and eight other Italian cities on April 28 and will eventually have 25 trains – a new type of locomotive-free rolling stock that has an engine under each car to increase capacity.

    Montezemolo and businessmen Diego Della Valle of luxury goods maker Tod’s, Gianni Punzo and Giuseppe Sciarrone founded the start-up in 2006. They were later joined by Banca Intesa San Paolo, Italy’s largest insurer Generali, businessman Alberto Bombassei from Brembo Brake Company and French state railway company SNCF, which took a 20 percent stake and provides know-how. But Montezemolo, chairman of NTV, is clearly the leading man in a high-profile business script aimed at snatching 25 percent of Italy’s high-speed train market by 2014 and breaking even the same year. It hopes to attract 8-9 million passengers a year by then.

    Chiara Pelizzoni, a transport analyst for Nomisma, said NTV will not have too many problems attracting customers in the high-speed market. “The high end of the market will be easier to sell. There are customers willing to pay for good services and from an industrial plan point of view they have a good, experienced partner in SNCF,” he said. “The real challenge will be if they try to enter the market for regional routes, where it is much more complicated to make money and where there are more regulations,” she said.

    The dapper Montezemolo, who looks younger than his 64 years and sports a Bobby Kennedy-esque mane of hair, has a breathless business resume and aristocratic family lineage that fuels his confident, can-do style like high-octane petrol fuels a Ferrari. He organised the 1990 World Cup football tournament, was chairman of carmaker Fiat, managed Italy’s America’s Cup sailing race challenge team, headed the powerful business lobby Confindustria and is now running Fiat’s Ferrari division.

    New entrepreneurial challenge
    But a startup was a new challenge, even for him. “This is the first time that I have developed a company from scratch, from zero, from a blank page. Four years ago there was nothing, no train, no people, no organisation, nothing,” he said as the train sped toward Rome. He enthuses about the train as if it were one of his Ferrari Formula One race cars and it is a safe bet that the choice of red as the NTV’s dominant colour is probably no coincidence.

    “This is the quickest train today. There is no other train like it. This train can go 360 kilometres an hour but we are obliged not to go faster than 300,” he said, referring to the limits of the infrastructure of the Italian rail system. The 450-seat NTV trains, dubbed Italo and painted red, gold and gray, use high-speed AGV cars built by French transport and power engineering group Alstom.

    The AGV is quieter and cheaper to run than its predecessor the TGV and has 20 percent more passenger space because its motors are placed under each car, instead of in locomotives at either end. “Can you believe we are going at 300 kilometres an hour?” he asked as the streamlined train sped quietly between Naples and Rome on a trip for the media last Friday. Indeed, if it were not for the Italian countryside flashing outside the big, oversized windows and a slight murmur inside, a passenger might think the train was standing still.

    Service, style, and value
    NTV hopes to win customers away from the state-owned Trenitalia, which uses the Italian-made ETR 500 on its high-speed runs, by offering better onboard services, elegance and free amenities such Wi-Fi, live television and first-run films. The business plan uses a tiered airline-style fare structure for its three “ambiances” – Club, Prima and Smart – and includes low-cost fares in the Smart “ambience” for tickets that are booked early and for off-peak times.

    NTV’s guiding mantra is service, style, and competition. It offers, for example, quality meals at competitive prices served in passenger seats instead of restaurant cars and prepared by Eataly, the food emporium with shops in the Italy, the United States and Japan. All the seats, even the cheapest, are in plush leather made by luxury furniture maker Poltrona Frau. The trains will make the Rome-Milan run in about three hours, depending on which stations the traveller chooses, roughly the same amount of time as Trenitalia’s fast trains.

    But Montezemolo is betting that travellers will choose NTV for the overall experience, the customer service and the smoother ride. Apart from Rome, the NTV network will include Salerno and Naples in the south as well as Florence, Bologna, Milan, Turin, Padua and Venice in the north. And he said the company might eventually expand into regional routes with high tourist traffic such as Florence-Siena using different types of trains in the future.

    “This is a high-risk venture for us. We have invested 650 million euros for the trains, we will pay 120 million euros a year for the use of the tracks and we have already created more than a 1,000 jobs with a 50-50 distribution between men and women,” he said. “If it doesn’t work out, we fail.” He wants to make Italo, the sleek white jumping hare who is the mascot of the train, as easily recognisable a brand as Ferrari’s prancing horse. Asked if he feared a price war with Trenitalia on the profitable Rome-Milan route he said: “Bring it on. May the best customer experience win”. – Reuters
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  5. Ganges

    Ganges Esperto

    Driver Seat _/
    Grande Punto 1.3
    One day Indian railways will prove this !....
    Konkan Railways was tested initially @150Kmph then later came down... to normal till 110 Kmph.... due to weather conditions!
    i should have not compared this with the high speed train of italy ::D
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  6. ENKI

    ENKI Esperto

    I was truy anticipating this moment since the day i subscribed on TFI. The Dodge Dart frist Drive by American Media.
    Was i right!! Man!! They are flattened everywhere & hailing this new FIAT/Chrysler love child. I will paste a few excerpts below. Read the hell out of the reviews from the links. I am feeling more enthusiastic with my earlier comment "Chrysler won't be able to stand upto the demand for this car for at least next 2 Yrs". There are quite a few cars who are destined to suffer, Civic, Corollas, Cruze, Focus & Elantra. This car is outplaying them too much, not possibe for an average American buyer to overlook when Chrysler has already grown more than twice in last 2 yrs.

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    2013 Dodge Dart First Drive – Review – Car and Driver
    1. The best powertrain of the three we’ve experienced thus far is the 1.4-liter turbo mated to the six-speed manual transmission. Chugged down as low as 1300 rpm, it pulls willingly and enthusiastically with much crisper throttle response than the base engine. There’s a pleasant growl through the mid-range, followed by nicely modulated rowdiness above 5000 rpm. Revving this Dart to its 6200-rpm redline is the best way to bring the stout chassis, taut suspension, and willing powertrain into harmony :cool

    2. The $18,790 Dart SXT adds 17-inch aluminum wheels, remote keyless entry, power mirrors and door locks, a split-folding rear seat (versus the SE’s single-piece folding backrest), and a six-speaker entertainment system as standard equipment. The SXT’s options list contains an 8.4-inch center-stack touch screen, a navigation system, a rearview camera, and a 506-watt, nine-speaker (plus a subwoofer) sound system.

    The $19,790 Rallye middle-trim child sports a more aggressive black-accented front fascia, projector fog lamps, dual exhaust tips, a leather-wrapped steering wheel armed with audio controls, and an optional SOHC 1.4-liter turbocharged four borrowed from the Fiat 500 Abarth. That iron-block engine makes the same 160 hp as the base four but has a more entertaining 184 lb-ft of torque (versus the 2.0-liter’s 145 lb-ft).

    The $20,790 Dart Limited brings to the party a 10-way power-adjustable driver seat, the aforementioned touch screen, a reconfigurable electronic gauge cluster, and a few bits of chrome exterior trim as standard equipment; the Limited’s options list includes Nappa leather seats, a heated steering wheel, nav, rear cross-path detection, and polished aluminum wheels.

    The top model due later this year is the $23,290 Dart R/T powered exclusively by a second U.S.-designed Tigershark engine. This 2.4-liter four, which tops out at 184 hp and 171 lb-ft of torque, combines the base engine’s 88-mm bore with a 97-mm stroke. Like the 1.4-liter turbo, this engine is equipped with Fiat’s MultiAir system, which uses electronically controlled hydraulic fluid between the cam lobes and the valves to vary intake timing and lift. A sport suspension and 18-inch wheels are standard in the R/T, as are special Nappa leather seats, dual-zone climate control, and a heated steering wheel and heated seats.

    Three transmissions back up the cadre of three engines. A six-speed manual supplied by Fiat is standard for all trim levels. A Powertech automatic, also providing six speeds, comes from Hyundai’s West Point, Georgia, manufacturing plant and is optional in all Darts except those equipped with the 1.4-liter turbo engine. The automatic transmission that is optional with that engine is a dual-clutch design also supplied by Fiat.

    Beyond the nuts and bolts, tempting spoiled customers with long goody lists of safety, entertainment, and communication features is compulsory. To fulfill that obligation, every Dart has 10 air bags—three more than a Mercedes C-class and four more than an Audi A4. The Dart’s optional rain-sensing wipers, blind-spot monitoring, and backup camera are rare in the compact class. Venturing beyond cup holders and door slots for beverage containers, this new Dodge has a glove box large enough to swallow an iPad and a secret storage compartment hidden under the front passenger’s seat cushion.

    Darting To and From

    Since the 2.4-liter four-cylinder won’t hit the market for several months, our northern California test drives were limited to the three middle trim levels. The great news is that the solid underpinnings and communicative electrically assisted ZF rack-and-pinion power steering engineered by Alfa chassis pros are happily at work here. The Dart’s strut-type front suspension, independent trailing-arm rear axle, and monotube dampers are tuned with an emphasis on roadholding and steadfast body control at the expense of ride isolation. Compared to our favorite compacts—the Ford Focus and the Mazda 3—there’s significantly more steering feel and feedback. On-center, there’s no slack and the rise in steering effort twisting into a bend is delightfully linear. The rigidly attached front and rear crossmembers and major suspension components are aluminum to provide a high level of chassis rigidity with a reasonable (about 3200 pounds) curb weight. Two-thirds of the unibody is made of high-strength steel.

    2013 Dodge Dart: First Drive

    the Dart is a breath of fresh air in a compact segment that threatens to become even more beige than it has been. Just consider the competition.

    On one end is a newly strong competitor, the Hyundai Elantra. It's undeniably stylish, gets great fuel economy, and offers plenty of value for the money. On the other age is the aged, invisible, unappealing Toyota Corolla (due to be replaced for 2014), saddled with an archaic four-speed automatic transmission and numb electric power steering. In between are the stylish but pricey Ford Focus, the good-citizen Chevy Cruze (still the quietest highway cruiser of the class), and the somewhat disappointing all-new 2012 Honda Civic:lol

    2013 Dodge Dart Rallye First Drive

    1. Beyond that, the Dart handles; it has mojo. The Alfa Romeo Giulietta DNA that went into it has emerged intact, albeit in a somewhat larger, trunkified form.

    2. The Dart's dash top is pleasingly soft, and it flows nicely into the center stack. But like others at this price point there's hard plastic aplenty lower down. The prototype we drove a month ago wasn't fooling anyone, but the plastic parts of the later example we're in today have a nicer molded-in grain and gloss. All told, it's one of the more attractive interiors in the segment.

    3. The turbo-4 hesitates only slightly on the uptake, but after that it flaunts an expansive torque curve that peaks between 2,500 and 4,000 rpm. The carryover Giulietta shift knob feels great in the palm of our hand, but there's little need to row it, as the little engine digs deeply and pulls steadily from one apex to the next in a single gear.

    4. MacPherson struts do the work up front, with knuckles and brake calipers made of aluminum to cut down on unsprung mass. The rear suspension is similar to that of the Mini Cooper; each side has a prominent aluminum trailing arm braced by a pair of diagonal links. Rear disc brakes are standard.

    All told, the Dart has one of the more attractive interiors in the segment.

    Dodge's choice of some fairly convoluted Nor Cal roads illustrates its confidence in what its engineers have wrought. Our 2013 Dodge Dart Rallye bends into corners eagerly, with a surprisingly neutral chassis balance and a flat cornering attitude. The dreaded understeer monster fails to appear in all but the most hopelessly overcooked corners, and the slumping pavement here in earthquake country has no luck booting us from our desired line.

    While all that is going on, the electric power steering is surprisingly satisfying, serving up good on-center feel and an authentic portrayal of what the 17-inch Continental contact patches are experiencing through the bends:dance:
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  7. ENKI

    ENKI Esperto

    Something Hilarious to share.
    Ford is planning to sue Ferrari. You know why?
    Ferrari is calling their upcoming Hypercar (Enzo's replacement) as Ferrari F150.
    F150 is already a Ford's vehicle. Obviously FORD is bang on if someone is trying to steal name of their model.
    You want to see Ford F150...
    Savdhaan Hoshiaar, Make way for Ford 150...

    Ford indeed deserves to be angry:)

    Take that Ferrari!!:boxer

    On a serious note, I think Ferrari was indeed fortunate that their planned F150 got leaked in the media & Ford gave them an alarm.
    Else try to imagine an F-150 with 1.5 Million dollars:dancing.

    Anyways some of the details have been leaked for new Enzo (F150/may change to F70 now). Ferrari had the this tendency of launching a hyper-car once in every 10 year which rest of the manufacturer keeps benchmarking. When they are almost about to match it, the date for the next one is right over your head. Same 6.2 Ltr Naturally Aspirated engine hovering around with 30% improvement in torque, low end torque, emissions & consumption. It's ridiculously unbelievable this time. Read carefully!
    Power output will be around 800-850 Bhp from the same 6.3 ltr V12 naturally aspirated, 0-100 will be close to 2.5 secs, 124mph in 7.5 seconds ::OO with a top speed of 236 miles/hr (obviously electronically limited). There will be a small Hybrid Motor (KERS) which will aid another 150 Bhp, so that total should be 950-1000 Bhp. Hey wait, Car's weight is just 1233 Kg. Max Torque is not clear but it will be available from 1000 rpm to 9500 rpm (for a naturally aspirated Petrol Engine:bye). Don't know why, but Ferrari never looks for Top speed records, something is there that is stoppping them from doing this. They very well can but they don't want to lose USP of their cars which is not top speed but insanely Fast on a Circuit to paper horses (Top speedy cars)!! 458 Italia can make much more powerful cars to beg for water, This F150... errrr... F70, have no doubt. Now the ridiculous part. Emission is just 240g/km which translates to an unbelievable 28 Mpg (US) which translates around 12 KM/Ltr:drinks.

    Simply Unbelievable & Superb!! Fact of the matter is there is enough of Ferrari Hypercar that A...B...C...D can benchmark for the next 10 yrs at least. Buggati weights 1888 kg for that 1000 HP with 4 Turbo's stuffed & a Supercharger too but in a pony little engine of around 8 ltrs:mrgreen:. Although they recently upgraded it to 1184 HP in Super Sport Version but after hearing Enzo's specifications, i think they can keep this new effort for themselves only.

    Imagine a car of 1233 Kg with 950-1000 Kg on Tap with it's peak torque starting from 1000 RPM to 9500 RPM which has only learnt handling & control since it's birth!

    Result: Will Absolutely humiliate anything that has ever walked the face of Earth!!

    Source is pasted below:
    Are these the specs for the new Ferrari F150 / F70 / New Enzo?

    Last edited: Feb 26, 2013
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  8. jayadev

    jayadev Esperto

    Kannur, India
    Grande Punto 1.3 90 HP
    Automotive psycology,philosophy and salvation zeroes to one point-Kitna deti hai ?
  9. Arkin

    Arkin Amatore

    This thread is ultimate reading material.
    Ferrari F150? Naming fail!
  10. thomman85

    thomman85 Esperto

    @ENKI, nice write up. Agree with vivek.. u should try automotive journalism...

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