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All-new small hatch for Brazil ready: FIAT project name 'X1H'

Discussion in 'Fiat Global News' started by prabhjot, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. prabhjot

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    http://www.autossegredos.com.br/201...e-sera-o-visual-do-x1h-novo-compacto-da-fiat/

    This rendering, that the autowebsite, the most respected in brazil, is claiming to be very accurate is of the new small, sub-compact Brazilian hatchback, i.e., FIAT's entry-level offering. It will replace the current entry level avatars of the Nuvo Uno, while the all-new Uno for 2016 will move up somewhat in size and appointments/engines etc, while still above it will sit the new Palio-cum-Punto replacemeInt.

    This, alongwith some versions of the Nuvo Uno 2015 and the new one for 2016, will be FIAT's offerings in the sort of space being targetted, as yet only in India, by the Renault KWID: i.e., very very inexpensive but well-enough engineered and fuel-sipping yet somewhat charismatic (via 'butch' and/or 'funky' styling).

    This is an approach and offering that has been deployed by FIAT in Brazil with its cross and adventure/sporting versions of small hatches for years now, long before Renault's attempt at mimicing that in a different market, namely India.

    Needless to say, this model is singularly unsuitable for the FIAT brand in India, and its economics of manufacture here would require impossible economies of scale since it will have next to no export possibilities of powertrains let alone whole-cars rhd or lhd.
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    Autosegredos.com of brazil reports that mules of the Punto-replacement (for Brazil and India, not for Europe) premium largish hatch are on the verge of beginning road-testing: project X6H. Of course, the new grand Sienna, also promised for India, will also be a close sibling of this hatch, perhaps the very same project.

    Whether (a) the Indian 'new avventura' stated in their 5-year plan and the b-suv for brazil, similarly promised, are just cross/adventure versions of this hatch, as opposed to being say a Toro pickup-based larger-than-this-new-punto SUV, is not known.

    and (b) whether the new Punto and Grand Sienna are = the Aegea/Tipo sedan+hatch, just with a different, cheaper architecture/platform-parts, is another question too, important for FIAT's India plans and prospects.
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    http://www.autossegredos.com.br/2015/12/30/flagra-novas-fotos-do-x1h-novo-compacto-da-fiat/

    Looks like an interesting model with good, early mover potential for India too: rides high, with SUV boxiness and space maximization, and apparaently 'butch' styling cues and motifs. There is an 'adventure' version of it planned for Brazil.

    The 'New Avventura' (b-suv) listed on the India plan of a year and a half ago for end-2016 (now moved to 2017?) can only be (a) either a raised and cross version of the all-new Punto that'll follow, as with the current Punto::current Avventura, OR...

    (b) this X1h tall suv-styled hatch? The LatAm plan too has a 'b-suv' slated for 2016. Now, FIAt brazil is testing and developing the x1h, the all-new Punto (x6h) and its sedan version, the all-new Grand Sienna (x6s), BUT not any b-suv type model. Going by reports on brazilian auto webzines, that is.

    I'd say the x1h (to be called 'MOBI' apparently) should be the way to go in India, priced of course well-below the new Punto. A sort-of pukka-4x2-suv-like (i.e., better built and riding and more expensive) Renault Kwid? They cannot hope for KWID-like sales numbers, and that vitiates the economies-of-scale needed for good pricing, but with exports say to Europe and Turkey, iran, egypt etc, maybe it is very workable financially?

    But they also should do a c2/d1 type, tweener model i.e., one priced at 12-16 lakhs: the 500X? 500L? And/Or: the Jeep Renegade, if they can get the price and the costing down aggressively enough. The latter is essential for creating a brand-image-boosting effect, since these models are so distinctive in their USPs.
  4. prabhjot

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    http://www.autossegredos.com.br/201...video-fotos-e-projecao-do-novo-fiat-mobi-way/

    http://www.autossegredos.com.br/201...s-o-fiat-mobi-2017-praticamente-sem-disfarce/

    The MOBI (likely replacement for the Nuvo Uno) is ready for lauch in brazil: in mid-april.

    Looks to be a great and distinctively-styled proposition from Fiat, just like the Toro lifestyle pickup that has just been VERY successfully launched in Brazil (three months' waiting period), despite the severe brazilizn politico-economic recession underway.

    It will, at launch or by early 2017, recieve the new 3- and 4-cylinder 1 and 1.4 Global Small Engine, or rather 2 simpler versions of what is a 'family' of 'modular engines' that will over the next 2-3 years replace the Fire, the t-jet 1.4 and the TwinAir engine across the Fiat range whether in europe or in LatAm/brazil.

    The 3-cylinder 1 litre gse (80 cv, 100 Nm or so) will be characterised by a very wide torque band, starting low, which is why it will have just 2 valves per cylinder, and will be of light weight, low-cost construction AND maintanence. The next version of the entry-level Fire engine, the 1.2 fire (68 bhp but with good torque esp low down). As cheap but more power, more and wider torque, lighter and more efficient.

    This model AND this engine would, of course, be ideal for India, IF it weren't for the likely-difficulty of selling such a relatively low-cost model (aimed at first-time, lower-budget buyers) for the FIAT brand in India. Unless, of course, exporting the MOBI from India in some form, perhaps to some european countries, turns out as viable and good?
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    http://www.autossegredos.com.br/2016/03/21/flagra-veja-o-fiat-mobi-way-sem-nenhuma-camuflagem/

    The final look of the MOBI is out, in this, the 'Adventure' i.e., cross(over) version: the 'Way'.

    There seem to be some stylistic 'quotations' at work here, just as there were with the Toro vis-a-vis the Jeep Cherokee, the Panda and the 500: the Freemont/Dodge Journey for the front, and the classic from the 50's/60's in europe:the 600, for the rear wheel arch emphasis, and the retro touch as well of using not the newest, current Fiat logo but a large classic-font 'FIAT' in letters on the mostly-glass rear-hatch door. etc

    The point seems to've been to make a rather-small car look both stylish+distinctive/unique AND beefy/'butch', without seeming funnily wannabe or ridiculous. They have succeeded, if so, imo.

    This model could be rather attractive and competitive in India at some later point (say 2018, after the Jeep-s and the new Punto+Grand Sienna etc arrive, or indeed perhaps the other way around since it apparently will share many 'platform' characteristics with the latter), to go up against the Maruti Ignis or the Mahindra K100 et al? Where say the Swift and Ritz currently sit, price-wise? I guess everything depends on whether they find that India would make a good export-base for the MOBI, back to europe say, just like the Jeep c-suv and the small-Jeep for emerging markets that'll be locally-made in 2017+?
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    This is the car they should have tried to also launch in india to really taste a bit of hype. This is exactly what indians need.
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    That's a nice looking car. Better fiat launch it in India soon. Else a similar looking hatch emulated design will roll out of Asian car company's production lines sooner than Fiat's.
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    https://www.autoedizione.nl/fiat-mobi-klaar-om-braziliaanse-crisis-aan-pakken/

    The entry-level hatch rather than micro-cuv variant. (pls use a translation add on)

    It appears there are styling little-cues across FCA brands: the headlamps merge into the grill from the side with either drl-s or indicators on the inside: on the Mobi, the Tipo/Aegea, the Alfa giulia and the Maserati levante.

    The MOBI d-pillar also has the same wrap-around black shape as the new Chrysler Pacifica.

    The Toro had styling cues from the Jeep Cherokee, the 500 and the Panda 4x4

    The above, very well-informed and discerning dutch FCA aficionado site, insists a restyled version of the MOBI will indeed be offered in Europe, perhaps as the next-gen Fiat Panda/Cross 4x4. As the current brazilian nuvo uno is closely related to the european Panda already.

    The likelihood is that the european Panda, which is one of the few fiats still-made-in Italy (at the very highly regarded pomigliono d'arco plant) will see its replacement made outside of italy. Exported from the likes of india?

    Since it falls in the 'rational, functional' line of the new Fiat brand-positioning, like the Tipo, and can only make good-margins if made at a low-cost manufacturing location like say turkey, india or brazil. Also: the P D'Arco plant is already-confirmedly getting a second line for a new Alfa Romeo model, and will most likely become an Alfa specialist-plant. Marchionne has often and openly declared his intention to make mostly or even only premium+luxe+sports cars in Italy because of their high margins-to-cover-the-high-costs. Ergo: the lower-cost Fiat models will NOT anymore be made in Italy or even anywhere else in even-eastern-europe. Hopefully: that means India and/or Turkey and/or Brazil!
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    http://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/fiat-mobi-novo-compacto-aparece-mais-uma-vez/

    http://www.autossegredos.com.br/2016/03/28/fiat-mobi-com-ar-condicionado-tem-versao-propria/

    The funky-enough, and chunky little hatch+a-cuv: MOBI

    Seems evermore apt for India, if fca can only find enough export avenues for it: spacious, very vfm, small, good fe, and 'butch' yet distinctively interesting looks, including the interior.

    But selling a car such as this is even harder for fca than selling a linea or punto: it'll need aggressive pricing, necessitating huge economies of scale i.e., assured, risk-adjusted sales numbers from fca's small dealer+ass network.

    TOUGH, unless export volumes enable it to happen in/for the indian car baazar.
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    Guys relax..nothing gonna happen in India. What we will get another variant of Punto or Linea.

    And what they are planning is to launch Grand Siena to replace Linea. Oh c'mon give me a break.

    These a****** will never ever gonna succeed in India. Never.

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