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Abarth Punto/Avventura T-Jet -Launched

Discussion in 'Fiat India News' started by ramjn, Dec 11, 2014.

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  1. prabhjot

    prabhjot Esperto

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    @Raj_pol @Saket Sidana

    Quite. Funny isn't it that the utter bestseller, the i20 'elite'/'active', offers neither a touchscreen nor anything as useful-enough and reliable-enough as 'Blue&Me', with more than voice recognition: the integration of the MID/MyCar screen and the ICE one. That's what I really like about it.

    Still, it's totally true that if Fiat does not launch say a touchscreen ICE or say a panoramic sunroof alongwith the Evo/Avventura t-jet(s)...it'll be again misrecognizing the weird priority-list-culture of most of even the targetted buyers, who are already only a small fraction of the whole 'car public'.
  2. Raj_pol

    Raj_pol Regolare

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    @prabhjot Blue & me is not reliable period. If you say that it is you are telling a non-truth. I have never used it as the voice recognition never ever recognizes my comments. The best is probably on the Eco sport of the ones I have seen

    @Saket Sidana For a start getting it to recognize my accent which is quite decent as I do work with a lot of Americans and Europeans. Second, when I use the horn, the media player stops and re-starts with FM option
  3. prabhjot

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    That's an earthing or some such minor problem with Evo-s. Get it sorted at your next service.
    I've never had any reliability issues with the Blue&Me neither has my dad who's had it on his Linea since 2009. Play around with your accent/enunciation a bit..and you'll be set. Am pretty sure it's every bit as good as the Ford Sync, since they're both based of Microsoft tech. If not better. Blue&Me's integration with the MID is what I REALLY like and appreciate.

    Having said that: Microsoft tech sucks, which is why if (say) FCA India were to adopt a similar-to-Tata Harmon system as on the Zest...'sone pe suhaga'. Or even the 'Tom-Tom Blue&Me' console used in Europe on the 500, the Punto, etc, if cost effective?

    I do agree with you that FCA India will be making a BIG mistake if they don't introduce a 'high-end'/'the children go WOW' gizmo or two, alongwith the t-jets, 16-inch, all-4 disc brakes, etc. 'We are like this only', afterall!
  4. drknaresh

    drknaresh Amatore

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    My sixth sense tells that this could be Abarth evo, testing under fiat badge's disguise. I wish my intuition works ;)
  5. kk27

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    I feel if this launches as Abarth independent then it's a dead launch, no-one I say no common man has ever heard of Abarth or known it's history. It's like people will say ... "wow a 135BHP car super.... looks like a Punto evo so why is it called Abarth!!! why it's not branded Fiat?" and then some prick will tell them that this is a strategy so that if this fails no one will blame Fiat, and this company will shut down. etc etc.

    Whereas if this is launched as Fiat - Abarth, then there's a lot more confidence going on. This will even make people go "hey Fiat has a 135BHP car!!!" And will get more people to the showroom, which might generate many more sales.
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  6. acechip

    acechip Superiore

    No- on the contrary I feel Fiat should visibly stay out of this. There is no problem with unknown brands as long as they are phoren.
    They should jazz up the brand a bit, make it equally appealing to both the "techie" who loves to tout the BHP numbers but is afraid of using them-read typical 35-45 IT guy , to the "freakie" who loves to thrash even an old school 60 bhp engine, read - 20-30 yr guy with ample family inheritance.
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  7. prabhjot

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    This iteration-with-rumoured-new-turbo?/application/tune? has been under test for a while already. Apparently for 80000 kms so far, with a lot more to go, which is why it will be launched only around Diwali. Now, it simply cannot be worth their while in sales-possibility terms to test this new version/tune/turbo/whatever quite so much, or even to have developed this rumoured-'new' iteration when the Linea already has the t-jet.

    Clearly then, whatever it is, it points to sales well beyond the Evo/Avventura Abarth or Fiat-Abarth as the case may be in India. It presumably is a powertrain (new transmission, too?) with a bigger, wider prospect: exports to China for the Viaagio/Ottimo/new Jeeps? T-jets are already exported to china from ranjangaon, i believe? And, i am guessing, deployment on the 1,2,3 or even 4 new small jeeps and their Fiat twins, for India and for exports out of India, starting next year through to 2017/2018.

    Exports from India to rhd countries like Australia, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, some middle-eastern countries of the small jeep(s) and/or their Fiat siblings cannot happen on the backs of diesels, since these are totally petrol-centric markets.

    Or is it the t-jet MultiAir electro-hydraulic vvt being tested? For introduction here, AND more essentially for exports?
  8. acechip

    acechip Superiore

    I dont understand why Fiat needs to test the engine so much. Really. They can use that time to improve any niggling fit-finish issues as well as sort out that gearbox a bit. And also, try to preserve strength but remove unnecessarily weighty items in the body. I dont think Fiat has done much work in that particular area TBH.
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  9. jumu

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    Its not the engine that they are testing. It is the aggregates that go with it that are being validated. The last time I saw the tjet in a workshop , it had come to develop the ABS braking system along with the rear disc brakes. Currently those parts are imported and expensive. They are slowly localising many parts.

    Abdul
  10. prabhjot

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    Thanks for that point. I guess they're testing localized components, including of the engine perhaps? Localization is expensive to do just for the low-volumes Indian market, and so major engine-export plans are probably baked-in too. They may, then, really be able to offer incredible pricing, relative to say VW or say Honda, as they already do with the Linea t-jet which still has many many imported components/modules i believe. This talk of a 'new turbo charger' or speculation on the MultiAir being tested is probably just a rumour, then? Not that this engine needs either for its Indian applications...
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