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A split in the Volkswagen-Suzuki alliance appears imminent

Discussion in 'Non FIAT Cars and two wheelers' started by FastLove, Sep 14, 2011.

  1. FastLove

    FastLove Superiore

    Linea 1.4
    A split in the Volkswagen-Suzuki alliance appears imminent!
    On one end of the spectrum, you have the three cylinder 1.2 Liter, 12 valve, three cylinder TDI common rail turbodiesel from Volkswagen. This engine produces 75 Bhp of peak power and 180 Nm of peak torque, to power two cars in India, namely the Volkswagen Polo TDI and the Skoda Fabia Diesel. Both cars are sedate performers at best with the engines not really rev happy. Oh yes, we know we’re talking diesels here but then again, the Volkswagen 1.2 Liter TDI mill is best enjoyed sedately.The fuel economy though, is reasonably good although not being a chart topper. Add to the equation the inherent vibes that a three cylinder will produce by design and higher initial oil consumption that have come to be a standard occurence in Volkswagen TDI diesel engines, you have a modern turbodiesel engine that is average at best with no real quality that makes it a segment topper or a super drivable unit.

    On the other side of the spectrum, you have a 16 valve,, DOHC 1.3 Liter, four cylinder unit called the FIAT multijet turbodiesel engine that powers not one or two, but four hatchbacks in the country, three of them outselling both the Volkswagen Polo and the Skoda Fabia combined. The FIAT multijet engine produces a similar power output of 75 Bhp and 190 Nm but most folks having driven cars with this engine swear by the turbo rush and the peppy performance of this engine. The 1.3 Liter FIAT multijet engine also is a willing rev machine despite being a diesel as compared to the 1.2 Liter Volkswagen TDI. The four cylinder layout of the well designed engine means that the refinement is of very high order along with engine vibes being kept to an absolute minimum. Fuel economy too is a strong point of this engine with bomb proof reliability being a high point of this engine unlike the various niggles owners have reported of the 1.2 Liter TDI engine.
    Therefore, it isn’t too surprising that Maruti Suzuki, the undisputed leader in the Indian car market has chosen to patronize FIAT instead of Volkswagen for the small capacity turbocharged diesel engines. Recently, Suzuki also made a fresh agreement with FIAT to source more small capacity engines from the latter, for use in its small hatchbacks. Also, FIAT is developing a three cylinder small capacity diesel engine for use in Marutis smaller hatchbacks.
  2. amit

    amit Superiore

    Navi Mumbai
    What niggles have owners reported of the 1.2L VW unit?
  3. srinivaschandalada

    srinivaschandalada Amatore

    Grande Punto 1.3
    fast love is 100% correct. Now VW is trying a hostile take over according to NDTV . Apart from maruti using with grand success fiats 1.3 engine, according to very reliable sources maruti has asked fiat to bring in its 1000 cc small diesel engine, as soon as possible to most likely power the new maruti 800, alto and omni. Maruti knows the sales of petrol cars are going to fall rapidly in future, and the only diesel engine it has is the one made with the help of fiat. So if it wants to sell its smaller cars which are all petrol powered at present, they will have to be given a diesel heart, and having tasted super success with the 1.3 fiat engine in larger cars, it is hell bent on a smaller fiat engine for its smalles cars. this has also angered VW. There are also rumors that maruti is planning to bring the fiat 1.6 mjd or the 1.9 mjd to power the vitara and gipsy.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2011
  4. royj

    royj Esperto

    VW and Suzuki bicker over Suzuki decision to buy Fiat engines

    This is old news.. reposting from what was posted 10 days back.

    Suzuki seeks 'Divorce' from Volkswagen

    Suzuki denies breaking agreement with Volkswagen

    Suzuki Motor Corp. said it didn‘t break a cooperation agreement with Volkswagen AG (VOW), after the German car maker said the Japanese company violated terms by deciding to buy engines from Fiat SpA.

    Suzuki definitely didn‘t break the partnership agreement, Hideki Taguchi, a spokesman for the Hamamatsu City, Japan-based automaker, said today by phone. Suzuki decided in June to buy diesel engines from Fiat for cars built in Hungary, expanding its partnership with the Italian car maker.

    Osamu Suzuki, the Japanese carmaker‘s chairman, said in an interview on Aug. 10 that the company sees no reason why Volkswagen would be upset about Suzuki expanding its purchase of engines from Fiat.
    Suzuki formed an alliance with Fiat to make diesel engines in Asia in 2005. In June this year, it expanded the agreement to buy engines from Fiat in Hungary.

    When the deal was signed in December 2009, with VW taking about a 20 percent Suzuki stake, the companies said they intended to cooperate on technology, including hybrids and electric cars, and expansion in emerging markets. Almost two years later, no joint projects have begun.
  5. Cinju

    Cinju Esperto

    Roy here the confusion still persists. Even there was news (maybe fake) that Suzuki's new cars manufactured after Mar 2011 will have VW TDI engines. But now Suzuki is telling that they were planning for technology on hybrid & electric cars. Who is right here VW or Suzuki ?
  6. royj

    royj Esperto

    Cinju, the news states that:
    Note the bold part.
    They came together with some plans, but nothing really materialized. Now both want to go their own way and blame the other for the fallout.
  7. FastLove

    FastLove Superiore

    Linea 1.4
    Suzuki dares VW to compare its engines with FIAT engines

    Volkswagen-Suzuki Feud Escalates as Japanese ‘Honor Disparaged’
    By Anna Mukai and Andreas Cremer

    Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Volkswagen AG, Europe’s largest carmaker, stood by its accusation that Suzuki Motor Corp. breached a partnership agreement, rejecting the Japanese company’s calls to restore its “honor.”

    Suzuki has to “correct” an alleged contract violation stemming from its purchase of engines from Fiat SpA, VW said today in an e-mailed statement. The Wolfsburg, Germany-based company was responding to Suzuki’s demand earlier today to retract the accusation.

    “I can’t conceive how this conflict can possibly be resolved,” said Daniel Schwarz, a Frankfurt-based analyst at Commerzbank AG who recommends buying VW shares. “The chances are growing now that the partnership accord will be dissolved.”

    Suzuki wants to end the 20-month-old carmaking alliance after VW’s 222.5 billion yen ($2.9 billion) investment failed to yield a single project. The relationship has escalated into a public feud after the German carmaker, which owns 19.9 percent of Suzuki, said it could influence decisions at the Japanese manufacturer.

    “Suzuki never breached” the agreement by buying diesel engines from Fiat, Chairman Osamu Suzuki said in a separate statement today. The allegation had “significantly disparaged Suzuki’s honor.”

    In response, VW said that it failed to understand how adhering to contractually defined rights can be defamatory.

    “From Volkswagen’s perspective, every effort has been made from the start to continue the partnership,” the company said in the statement.

    Engine Comparison

    The Hamamatsu, Japan-based automaker had discussed the reasons for deciding against VW’s engines with the automaker in January, it said today. Suzuki called on VW to compare and test the engines against Fiat’s as a “remedial action.”

    Suzuki sent an official complaint to VW Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn. The German manufacturer confirmed that the letter was received, though urged such “internal exchanges” to remain confidential.

    “Such theatrical actions are unhelpful in the current situation,” VW said.

    VW and Suzuki have been at odds since the German carmaker said in its annual report published in March that it could “significantly influence financial and operating policy decisions” at Suzuki, describing the Japanese company as an “associate.”

    Indian Plans

    The Japanese automaker, which owns 1.49 percent of VW, plans to sell its holdings if the tie-up ends, the company said in a Sept. 12 statement to the Tokyo Stock Exchange. VW has said it doesn’t plan to sell or reduce its stake in Suzuki.

    The dispute has brought to a halt the company’s efforts to form an operational alliance. The partnership was meant to combine Suzuki’s leading position in India, Asia’s second- fastest growing major economy, with VW’s global reach as the world’s third-biggest carmaker.

    “It wouldn’t be the end of the world for VW if that partnership fails,” said Schwarz. “VW has its own capacities in India. They’re making their own models there and market share is growing.”
  8. royj

    royj Esperto

    Aaahh.. that's one bad punch which the proud Germans will find extremely difficult to handle.

    But nothing unrealistic about it. Last week I was chatting with a friend in Middle East and while talking about cars I mentioned about VW and his immediate comment was "VW? Oh no mate.. they are horrible". He owns a Pajero, his wife drives a Yaris, his previous car was a Honda Civic.

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