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2004 Fiat Palio 1.9 D: The Story Of My Pre-worshipped Car

Discussion in 'Classic and Retro FIAT's' started by Raaz, Dec 3, 2015.

  1. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Retro / Classic FIAT
    Prelude: My First vehicle was Hero Honda Splendor which was bought in 2000. It served me three years and on one bad day, It was stolen and sofar not traced out. Then in 2006, I’ve bought again a Hero Honda but this time Passion Plus which is IMO, a fantastic and trouble free two wheeler and still serving me. In 2012, we purchased Ford Figo Diesel Titanium Car which was the first car in our family. Team-BHP especially GTO’s awesome review played a vital role in selecting this car. We enjoyed every bit of it travelling nearly 18,000 Kms in it. I loved it for its handling and awesome hydraulic steering feedback. IMO, it’s a delightful car for any enthusiast. Unfortunately, due to some personal reasons, we had to sell this car in mid 2013.


    For a brief time, I considered another car and even TD’ed few cars. But then we were already started building a new house and thought this could be difficult to manage the money. So, dropped the idea of buying a new car. So, I concentrated in building the new house and never really had enough money or time to focus on other car. Constructing a new house never was an easy thing. It actually doubled my budget as I didn’t compromise on the quality. However, I successfully completed the new house and we moved into it in December 2014.


    My office is just below 4kms from my house and I prefer to go in two wheeler to office. But, to move with family to some place without a car has become difficult. Moreover, our new house is in semi urban place. And Yes, the driver in me woke again. :) So, I thought of owning a car again. So, too many calculations and the end results were negative. Most of my salary is going for house loan EMI and if I buy a new car, life becomes too tight. So, dropped the idea to buy the new vehicle and am in the market to buy a "Pre-Worshipped" car.


    Cars Considered:

    Ford Figo: Like ‘The First Cut is the Deepest’, since I loved my first car so much, I thought of getting figo again. I even TD’ed a Figo which was in good condition and maintained a good service history. Later, I thought why not to consider another car which may even more good driving dynamics with good steering feedback to satisfy my soul further. :D


    Fiat Grande Punto: I actually was intend to buy this one back in 2012 but dropped the idea, especially since some of my friends horrified me with their experiences. Since, it was my first car, I couldn’t dare to experiment. Now, it’s time. One of my colleagues has this car and I drove it sometimes and I loved its driving dynamics. I saw few advertised cars in Olx, Quicker etc. But, the budget was not allowed me to go for it.


    Fiat Siena: Awesome Car. I encountered one in my town of 2004 model. But the guy was asking too much for it. So, I dropped it.


    Fiat Palio: I know this car, But, honestly, don’t know much details about this car until I found few advertisements in Olx and in Quicker. I dig forums and come to know this was fantastic car. I looked for Palio 1.6 (Petrol) and Palio D 1.9 (Diesel). I intentionally avoided Multijet ones because they were priced higher in the market. Moreover, Iam considering a new Fiat car in the years to come.

    So, I zeroed on Palio and the search was began.

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    Test Drive Impressions: Found few really good maintained cars in Olx and Quicker but were demanding too much money for them. But in the last week of September 2015, I saw one Palio D 1.9 ELX advertisement in Olx which pulled my attention. I immediately called the owner who is from Hyderabad and he was patient enough to answer all my queries and sent few pictures in WhatsApp. He said he was the second owner who got this car a couple of years ago and now wanted to sell it since he got another car and has no space to keep it. Surprisingly, he even advised me not to buy the car since my place has no service points or availability of spares. However, I liked his honesty attitude and wanted to test-drive the car. It’s a 2004 modeled ‘Glacier White’ colored car which has 1910 CC naturally aspirated diesel engine and has 65 BHP@4500 rpm and 120 NM torque@2500 rpm. It has few more goodies like all power windows, adjustable mirrors, folding rear seats with decent boot, rear wiper & defogger, tachometer, Hydraulic Power Steering etc.

    First Look Of the car in Olx
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    Owner & Me
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    Pollution Check
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    Meantime, I contacted our fellow TFian/Bhpian ‘hillram aka Ram Kiran’, the awesome Fiat lover and the founder of ‘Hyderabad Fiat Classic Club’. He was friendly, co-operative, and very helpful who gave me many suggestions. On my request, He even forwarded his trusted mechanic number. Next, I travelled Hyderabad and had a test drive the above car and My First Impressions were as below.

    Positives:

    • The engine Power and the torque is awesome and the ODO is just 86470 kms
    • The steering feedback is awesome
    • All four Tyres are Yokohama A Drive tubeless and are in very good condition.
    • It’s Naturally Aspirated Diesel Engine, hence no Turbo Lag. So, It’s a pure bliss to drive this car even in city roads.
    • Driver seating position is comfortable to me although it doesn’t have seat height adjustment.
    • The brakes are fantastic even though it doesn’t have ABS.
    • The back seats are comfortable and have decent leg room.
    • Adequate Boot which could swallow everything you may need for a weekend trip.
    • All Power Windows and their Control Switches are accessible to driver.
    • Height adjustable seat belts
    • Deep Glove box with Cup holders.
    • Cigar Lighter which can be used as Mobile Charger.
    • Ash Tray Near Cigar Lighter. Since Iam not a smoker, It can be useful to keep Papers/Mobile.
    • Driving Mirror with Anti Glare Position which could be helpful in night driving.
    • Default wiring to install 6 speakers (2 on front doors, 2 Front Tweeters, 2 On Parcel Trey)

    Negatives:

    • The Car looks bad from outside as it has scratches and dents on almost every door and one deep scratch on bonnet. Perhaps need to repaint the vehicle.
    • The AC is not working (Owner said, A gas refill would be enough). One of the central AC Vent is missing and other vents are in bad condition. Perhaps, I need to change them all.
    • Vibrations and Rattles, especially more in Idle Condition.
    • Heavy wind and engine sounds in the cabin.
    • No Boot lamp Provision.
    • No Music System/Speakers.
    • Only One Manual Key is available. Remote is not working.
    • Lapsed Insurance and I need to pay for that
    • ORVMS are in bad condition and need to replace them.
    • No Bottle Holders what so ever. You need to put the bottles in the back seat covers only. Perhaps, Fiat might think their customers are over joyous in their superb driving dynamics cars and forget to drink water. :D
    • Rear Windows Control Buttons Located near the Gear Lever is not working.
    • Cabin Lamp is not working. Need to change the bulb
    • Antenna was Broken, Need to be replaced.
    • Front and Rear Wiper Blades are weak and need to be replaced.
    • Spare tyre is Bridgestone normal tyre which is in average condition
    • Broken Wheel Caps
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    Palio D Become My Car: Besides all those negativities, I liked the car for its driving dynamics and especially for its superb steering feedback. So, I decided to buy it. Since I trusted this owner, I paid the full amount to him who assured me to send NOC as soon as possible. We exchanged few essential documents and had some photos and left to the mechanic suggested by 'Sri Ram Kiran Garu'. The mechanic accompanied me and had a long drive before he conclude what need to be done. I wanted to focus on mechanical things first and suggested the mechanic to pay attention on engine running condition and to replace all oils. Since, I need to attend an urgent office project, I left the car with mechanic and requested ‘Ram Kiran’ garu to supervise the work, who kindly accepted that. After Five days i.e on 10.10.2015, again I went to Hyderabad to pickup my car. In the meantime, ‘Ram Kiran’ garu has supervised the vehicle and made sure all mechanical parts are in working condition and even had a test drive and impressed with its engine and running condition. I met him and saw his amazing Fiat Vehicles. I simply wonder-struck with his Fiat & Vespa scooters collection, and it was the first time, I have seen such a big automobile fan. Before I leave, we had few photos and then I thanked him humbly for helping me. I must say, without the co-operation and suggestions of him, It wouldn’t be the same. A million thanks to you 'Ram Kiran Garu'. clap:

    TFIan/Bhpian 'hillram aka Sri Ram Kiran Garu' & Me
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    Then, I bought some cheap wheel caps (Rs. 550 including fitting charges), Checked the Air pressure in all 5 tyres, had a full tank of Diesel and zoomed to my place. Hyderabad traffic was heavy on that day, but I didn’t feel any trouble driving in the city since the car can move on any gear without any trouble, moreover AC is working now. Once I get rid of traffic, I intend to test the car.

    At 3000 RPM car reaches 100 kms speed. Although Manual says 155 km/h is the maximum allowed speed for Palio 1.9 D, I’ve observed it won’t go beyond 125 km/hr. Is it normal for Palio D or some kind of lock in it? Folks, Please throw some light on it. please:
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    After some 80 kms of journey, suddenly AC and Fan stopped working. I stopped the vehicle and checked all fuses. Fuses are fine but no help. Since I couldn’t find any mechanic, I continued my journey without AC which was quite discomfort. However, Once the Sun passed, cool breeze helped me to relax a bit. When I reached home, the trip meter showed 416 Kms. The whole journey was awesome. But, had it been AC working and had Music System, the journey would have been more joyful.
    P.S: When I reached home, I've observed two wheel caps fall down somewhere.

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  2. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Andhra Pradesh
    Retro / Classic FIAT
    Installing Music System, Speakers & Wipers

    The next day, I took the Car to local AC point. They did few tests and found the Gas has leaked and also found it have some loose connections. They fixed all these things. Next with the kind co-operation of my TFIian/BHpian friend SunnyBoi, I could able to purchase Central and Side AC Vents. Many thanks my friend. clap:

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    Next, I drove to local Car Decors shop and selected the following things.

    Sony MEX-N4150BT Single Din Head Unit: The main reason to select this one is because it can play FLAC format. Moreover, it can handle some typical things such as Blutooth, Mp3 and other stuff.
    JBL Component Speakers i.e. JBL CX 650 CSI: I don’t know anything about this particular item but just put my faith on the brand. I purchased the speakers for front side only. In future, I may update with Rear Speakrs + A decent 4 Channel Amplifier.
    Antenna for Radio: Since I couldn’t find the original one in my place, I had compromised with locally available one which comes for Rs. 300/- (Including Fitting charge). Unfortunately, It was broken on the second day itself. So, I had ordered one in 99 RPM For Rs. 1000/- (Including Nuts & Bolts), which is Made in Brazil one.
    • Also bought New Front Wipers from Paytm costed Rs. 211.

    Let the pictures tell you the story.


    Music System & Speakers Installation:
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    You can see there's absolutely no way you can keep a water bottle there at driver side's door.
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    Front Wipers Installation
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  3. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Andhra Pradesh
    Retro / Classic FIAT
    New AC Vents Installation

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  4. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Retro / Classic FIAT
    Inside & Outside Of the Car: Part 1

    That bonnet has some special appeal. Ain't that sexy, although it's too old? :)
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    Look at the hill. It resembles the trunk of Lord Ganesha
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    And Look at this very same hill in different angle. It resembles a woman head lay down on the ground with her beautiful hair and two other hills resembles like her breasts.
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    Engine Bay with 1910 CC Naturally Aspirated Diesel Engine. Now, one of the Last and rare breeds.
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    Under Body - Front Side
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    Under Body - Rear Side
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    Door Moulding & Stone Guard
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    3 Spoke Steering Wheel which is fantastic to hold & Control Stalks. LH Stalk have the controls of Washer and Wipers and RH Stalk have the controls of Head Lights and Turn Indicators.
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    Handbrake, Seat Belt Holders & Front Seats Pushback adjustments
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    Power Windows Control Buttons @ Driver Side
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    ABC Pedals & Dead Pedal which is still missing in some costly cars. Kudos to Fiat for including this back in 2004. clap:
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    Provision for Cigar Lighter
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    Cigar Lighter can be used as Mobile Charger
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    Control Switches for Rear Power Windows
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  5. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Retro / Classic FIAT
    Inside & Outside Of the Car: Part 2

    3 Step Glove Box

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    Deep Glove Box with Cup Holders
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    Driver Side Sunvisor with Document Holder
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    Passenger Side Sunvisor with Mirror
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    Rear View Mirror
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    Cabin Lamp
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    Mirror Adjuster from Inside, One of the first cars came with this option back in 2004.
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    Height adjustable seat belts. It's still missing in some costly cars.
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    Bonnet Releaser
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    Boot & Diesel Cap Releases
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    Height Adjustable Headrests

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    Three Belts Provision at Back Seat
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    Back Seat Comfort. You can also see the back seat covers with zippers. That's the only place we can keep water bottles.
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    This is the rear space after I adjusted my driving position
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    Minimum Rear Leg Room
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    Maximum Rear Leg Room
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    Rear Window, That's the maximum we can roll down
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    Rear Head Room
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    Rear Left Side Window With Power Windows Button, Door Handle, Door Opener & Ash Trey
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    Ash Trey on Rear LH Door (Close-Up)
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  6. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Inside & Outside Of the Car: Part 3


    Roof handle with a hanger, useful to hang a bag/shirt

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    Cabin. You can see rear fixed head rests
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    Decent 260 Liters Boot Space
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    Boot Space After 1 row down
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    Complete Boot Space with 950 Liters Capacity. You can also see the provision for rear speakers on both side of parcel trey
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  7. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Retro / Classic FIAT
    Now some fun with Kids and Friends. :)

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    See all the Eights in Odo...!!! :happy:

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    Crossed 90,000 Kms a couple of days ago and I guess it needs a little celebration. :)

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    Received the Original Radio Antenna (Made In Brazil), Thanks to 99 RPM. :)

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    Wheel Alignment.

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    Original Fiat Palio Blue Logo Wheel Caps. Quite expensive but looks very good. Thanks to my friend and TFIan, SunnyBoi

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    Present ODO: 90,216 Kms.

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  8. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Retro / Classic FIAT
    My daily usage of the car is about 30 kms which covers office and for other things. But I also like to use it for weekend trips and for highway cruise. So far, I covered nearly 3800 Kms in more or less 45 days. Mileage is at an average of 17/18 kms per liter as per tankful method.

    In my experience, this car pulls great, but noise levels are too much, albeit riding is a pleasure since the handling and steering response is awesome. Few other things like below are causing inconvenience.

    • AC is tripping very often.
    • Black Smoke from Silencer
    • Rattles, Vibrations & Too much of wind and engine sounds

    Iam planning to Do/Change in Future as below:
    • Total Body Paint (Either White Or Ferrari Red)
    • Front & Rear Logos
    • Installation of Boot Lamp
    • New Front Head Lights, Tail Lamps, Side Indicators
    • New Set Of ORVMs
    • Changing Of All Rubber Beadings/Moldings
    • Customized Leather Upholstery
    • 14” or 15” Tyres with Alloy Wheels
    • A decent 4 Channel Amplifier + Rear Speakers
    • Damping
    • Installation of Fog Lamps
    • Rear Spoiler
    • Sporty Metallic Pedals

    I thank you for reading my ownership review. Please shoot your advises too. smile.gif

    Parting Shots:
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  9. Raaz

    Raaz Amatore

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    Thank You Mods, Thread goes live now.

    Hope you all you folks like my review. Please, Share your comments/feedback for the betterment of my ownership. Thank You all. :)
  10. Ravi

    Ravi Staff Member Janitor

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    Lovely thread @Raaz.
    Though I haven't read complete thread, just glanced through it.

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